Who are the Kurds?

Zendebad Azarbaijan! a unique and eternal part of Iran. I went to an IRANIAN new year party in Pittsburgh organised by proud Azari-Iranians, there were peoms in Azari and Persian.

There are many Iranian heroes and heroins of Azari descent and they are Iranian first: Hossein Rezadadeh and Googoosh to name just two.

Turkey offered Rezadadeh $10m to sell his nationality and weight lift for Turkey, he stated that his allegiance is not for sale!

Your problem with Kurds is that you tell them they are not Kurdish, and try to erase their identity. What do you think? That they will go like lambs to the slaughter? Think again.

Honestly, I don't know what it means but I just feel the same when a kurd speaks.

And I didn't claim any knowledge on kurmanji or persian. I just said I know a bit kurdish as much as not to die among kurds. (well I knew more when I was a child but then forgot mostly. My fathers side is kurdish because. and they should be speaking it in their houses and occations with relatives) 

1 my comments about words: those persian words of they speak are mostly which also intruded the Turkish lang.

2 and those percentages I gave are not absolute.

Also, I don't know why you Iranians take this kurdish issue as a matter of "pride"??? I mean these kurds somehow got aware of that they were a nation(!) when the British kingdom wanted to use them against Ottoman Empire 100 years ago. If there were russians living there, it would be the "russian issue" because oil is there. in this goddamn political situation, anglo-american-zionists have wanted to keep the middleeast in chaos, so like every region in the middle east, they spreaded their seeds of anger and conflict in south-east Turkey, too.

YEAH YEAH, THEY'RE JEWISH

First of all Hushyar, don't expect anyone who uses Atat�rk's picture as avatar to have sympathy to Mollahs.

I'm not zealous about anything and don't see my knowledge as eternal. But one of what makes a people a nation is a conciousness of common target from the past. 400 years??? So who read that book??? Did they uprise 400 years ago?

You claim me approaching poltically, but I see political sneakiness in what you write.

Where the Kurdish is in languages doesn't bother me indeed. But what I know in Turkey, they're fed more than me.

For my countrymen-in Persian

And that book was and is used as a reference in History of kurds.

Yafes
1)I didn't mean culture,I spoke about language, don't change the discussion line.
2)Every body knows Kurdish language was illegal in Turkey until recently,and even term Kurd was illegal until president Uzal 1n 1989 broke the Taboo and spoke about Kurds.

Ok up to know :

a)you claimed that Kurdish was not language, I proved that it is.
b)You claimed that Kurds didn't knew that they are different nation, until some british agents came and told them: Hey from now you call yourself Kurds and you speak this language which we invented from mixing some persian Arabic and Turkish words and from now you must hate turks.I proved that it is wrong.
c)You wanted to compare official Turkish language with a minority language (which did not have any media and even It was illegal until recently) and I proved that this comparision is wrong.

I think if you don't have another claim,We can finish this sweet discussion,unless you so love Kurds (maybe because you are partly kurd) that you want to keep this topic on top even when there is nothing more to be discussed.

first of all

1 what if I say culture? doesn't it include language? kurdish issue became a taboo with 1970s bcause of social conflicts, supported by countries like Iran, Syria, Greece, US... And reached the top in 1990s with PKK.

2 kurdish language was not recognised legally, true, but that does not mean it was forbidden.

and

you proved nothing

a) language or dialect, I wrote about kurds in TURKEY

b) the conciousness of a nation is sourced by with common movements. you wrote about little primitive administrations of kurds, but no significant state. They were always under administration of Iranians, Armenians, Arabs and Turks. They were derivation of iranians and mixed with iranis, armenians, arabs and turks. take the liquid theory: "fluids get the shape of the cab they are in."

c) kurdish is uncomparable with one of the most mathematical and evolutioned language Turkish. I never do that. they have their media, don't worry.

and lastly, you wrote about loving kurds. why do i hate them? in addition, my father side is kurdish. but this does not make me a kurd. if i had the opportunity to search my genetic past, probably i'd find out armenian, iranian, indian, ... genes. so what????

MIMAR SINAN(famous turkish architecht) was iranian originated but who made him MIMAR SINAN? The Ottoman rule. Kurds in Turkey are not seperate from Turks in the history, too. At least we know "K�rt Hasan"s died in Canakkale(gallipoli) side by side with the others. But traitors always existed since Adam.

That's my last thread in this topic. And I advise you to visit Turkey. you'll be surprised about what you wrote about Turks, so far.

good luck

Kurds are originally a persian tribe. Because of religieus conflicts with the other persians in the war between the Ottomans and the Turkmens of Safevid ismael in the 14th century  ( sunni /shia) they setteld in south east anatolia where they mixed with arabs, asyrians, armenians and other local  people.

the language "kurdish"is a persian language with a lot of Turkish and arabian words.