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Topic: Christian Hierarchy in Otto Emp Posted: 29-Dec-2013 at 08:57 |
During the Ottoman period, the nation was seperated as different millets
Assyrians was under the Armenian Bulgarian and Serbs were under the Greeks  and İstanbul was centrum so all headquarters of those millets were in İstanbul Greek Patriarchate of Constantinople Armenian Patriarch of ConstantinopleQ-1 What about Roman Pentrarchy? Patriarchate of Antioch, Jerusalem and Alexandria How was their official position in Ottoman Empire (maybe under Greeks orArmenians)? Were they accepted or they worked hidden? Or you can look like that where were the place of Arab Orthodox and Coptic people in this system? Q-2 How was working? I mean really a Greek bishop go to Sofia and did the ceremony in Greek language? Q-3 As you know Greek religious leaders are patriarchy, but Armenian System is different. The name of the leader is Catholicos of All Armenianshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholicos_of_All_Armenians How was it working in Ottoman period? Where was the religious center of Armenians in Byzantine Empire
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Posted: 02-Jan-2014 at 22:23 |
Dear Ollios, is it possible that the word "Musulman" you used above be but a variation of "Mosulman?", that is from the rule of Mosul?
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Posted: 02-Jan-2014 at 23:24 |
Originally posted by opuslola
Dear Ollios, is it possible that the word "Musulman" you used above be but a variation of "Mosulman?", that is from the rule of Mosul?
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I don't think so Accoding to wiki, Musulman comes from same root with İslam which comes from semitic word s-l-m. (peace) but Mosul "city in northern Iraq, from Arabic al-Mawsul, literally " the joined," a reference to the bridge and ford over the Tigris here." http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=mosul&searchmode=none
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Posted: 04-Jan-2014 at 00:34 |
Then we agree to disagree!
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Posted: 04-Jan-2014 at 08:52 |
Originally posted by opuslola
Then we agree to disagree!
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what a lovely idiom  and what a nice way to show the disagrement  Why you think like that? Mosul was not a great city like Baghdad, Damascus so why the all believers call themself as Mosul-man
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Posted: 04-Jan-2014 at 09:31 |
It's a persian plural of muslim, which means something like "the one subjected to god" or "the one worshipping god. So no Mosul or mosul man.
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Posted: 05-Jan-2014 at 19:40 |
But Mosul was a very strong and important city at one time or another. Wikipedia says this; "Mosul was promoted to the status of capital of Mesopotamia under the Umayyads in the 8th century, during which it reached a peak of prosperity. During the Abbassid era it was an important trading centre because of its strategic location astride the trade routes to India, Persia, and the Mediterranean. The Muslim general and conqueror of Sindh, Muhammad bin Qasim, is said to have died here in the 8th century AD."
So it appears it was a "great city", just like Damascus and Baghdad!
It just depends upon your time line!
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Posted: 05-Jan-2014 at 20:04 |
Originally posted by opuslola
But Mosul was a very strong and important city at one time or another. Wikipedia says this; "Mosul was promoted to the status of capital of Mesopotamia under the Umayyads in the 8th century, during which it reached a peak of prosperity. During the Abbassid era it was an important trading centre because of its strategic location astride the trade routes to India, Persia, and the Mediterranean. The Muslim general and conqueror of Sindh, Muhammad bin Qasim, is said to have died here in the 8th century AD."
So it appears it was a "great city", just like Damascus and Baghdad!
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Ephesus is also important city and capital of Asia province in Roman Empire but it is not a Rome or Constantinople so Mosul never gets close them. Names could be tricky such as Istanbul Is = Fog tan = Sunrise bul =find even there is no single letter change so the meaning can be "a place where you can see/find sunrise under the fog" and fog is not strange thing in Istanbul 
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Posted: 05-Jan-2014 at 20:08 |
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Originally posted by opuslola
But Mosul was a very strong and important city at one time or another. Wikipedia says this; "Mosul was promoted to the status of capital of Mesopotamia under the Umayyads in the 8th century, during which it reached a peak of prosperity. During the Abbassid era it was an important trading centre because of its strategic location astride the trade routes to India, Persia, and the Mediterranean. The Muslim general and conqueror of Sindh, Muhammad bin Qasim, is said to have died here in the 8th century AD."
So it appears it was a "great city", just like Damascus and Baghdad!
Regards, Ron | Ephesus is also important city and capital of Asia province in Roman Empire but it is not a Rome or Constantinople so Mosul never gets close them.Names could be tricky such as IstanbulIs = Fogtan = Sunrisebul =find even there is no single letter changeso the meaning can be "a place where you can see/find sunrise under the fog" and fog is not strange thing in Istanbul   |
So just what do you make of it when it is commonly written as "Istambol?"
Please note that in French and Spanish it could be spelled "Histanbul, or Histambol?"
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Posted: 16-Jan-2014 at 08:08 |
I've only ever seen the word Musulmen used in the context of Muslim Men. If there's another rational explanation I'd be pleased to read it.
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Posted: 16-Jan-2014 at 10:21 |
Turkish dictinary says that the word is combination of arabic and persian languages
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