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http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/28/326578/us-returns-ancient-chalice-to-iran: The US has returned an ancient Persian silver chalice, known as the Griffin, during President Hassan Rouhani’s visit to New York to attend the 68th Session of the United Nations General Assembly.

I had talked about it in this thread: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22988

Khurupa/Urupa (Khuru/Uru=Erne/Eagle and Pa=Pedate) seems to be a very European symbol and the name of Europe could be really related to this Scythian name, of course this word can be also found in some other ancient languages, like Akkadian Kuruba (Cherub) which also refers to a pedate eagle.



An ancient Mesopotamian cherub:







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Was Urupa head from Byzantine two-headed eagle?!?

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Kuruba in my language is crust,archaic.
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2013 at 14:28
Originally posted by medenaywe

Was Urupa head from Byzantine two-headed eagle?!?



Two-headed eagle has also a very long history in Iran but I think it has a Hittite origin, this symbol can be seen on some ancient artifacts in the northwest of Iran, like the famous Hasanlu Gold Bowl:



I don't know there could be any relation between quadruped eagle and two-headed eagle, both of them were used by both Indo-European and Mesopotamian peoples.
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  Quote yomud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Oct-2013 at 06:58
great news for iranian Thumbs Up
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  Quote yomud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Oct-2013 at 09:19
this is not a real  this fake urupa !  ! !!!!!
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Oct-2013 at 10:15
And you know this how?
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  Quote yomud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Nov-2013 at 02:39
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/148365/griffin-rouhani-diplomacy

it's made in 1999
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  Quote mojobadshah Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Nov-2013 at 23:01
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri



http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/28/326578/us-returns-ancient-chalice-to-iran: The US has returned an ancient Persian silver chalice, known as the Griffin, during President Hassan Rouhani’s visit to New York to attend the 68th Session of the United Nations General Assembly.

I had talked about it in this thread: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=22988

Khurupa/Urupa (Khuru/Uru=Erne/Eagle and Pa=Pedate) seems to be a very European symbol and the name of Europe could be really related to this Scythian name, of course this word can be also found in some other ancient languages, like Akkadian Kuruba (Cherub) which also refers to a pedate eagle.



An ancient Mesopotamian cherub:






So is Urupa and Cherub PIE in origin or Afro-Asiatic, or does the word descend from a common ancestor?
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Nov-2013 at 03:55
As I said it seems to be an Iranian compound, of course it is difficult to say that it could be loan word from an Iranian language to Akkadian, there are some words which are similar to Iranian words or similar words have been made in Iranian languages, like Baghdad which means "God Given" (Bagh=God+Dad=Given) in Persian but we know there was an Akkadian village with the name "Bagadata" in the same region hundreds years before Persian presence in Mesopotamia.
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Nov-2013 at 10:05
Originally posted by yomud

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/148365/griffin-rouhani-diplomacy

it's made in 1999
 
No. 1999 is when it first appeared.  I looked through many of the articles that state it's fake.  None of them were peer reviewed.  Most had connections to Israel .  None of the articles gave any evidence that the item had been properly examined.  It had been held by US customs for 10 years.
 
The Iranian gov. accepted it's authenticity.  It's part of a treasure that was looted.  There are 60 or so items that are still missing.
 
Yomud, this isn't about the authenticity of the piece, it's about politics.  The last thing Israel wants is a warming of US and Iranian relations.  There are many in the US that would not want to see that either.  And there are many who would use this just to embarrass Obama.
 
Yomud, some years back I was involved in the "Antiquities market".  It's not quite what an outsider envisions.  It's not for the weak of stomach.Wink
 
And what's worse, is you have many self proclaimed "experts" who really don't know a damn thing but use something like this to get their name in the news.
 
 


Edited by red clay - 11-Nov-2013 at 11:00
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Nov-2013 at 10:46
There are circumstances that sometimes make a fake or copy as valuable as an original.  Many years ago I was involved in returning a copy of the Talmud to Israel.  It was stolen by the Nazis from Warsaw.  It had a stamping in it's inner cover that stated in polish, that it was a "museum copy".   However, the original had been destroyed in a bombing, and this was the only surviving copy, having all the names of scholars who had owned it, with all of the annotations intact.  The Israeli Gov. treated it like it was the original, right down to sending 2 Mossad folks to pick me up at the train sta. in Washington DC.  Fun times, a little nervous, but fun.
 
Yomud, I was one of several antiquities dealers working together, who had been commissioned by a man who had been a Major in the US Army "Art recoveries Division" in Europe, immediately after the war. 
The stuff this guy had squirreled away behind a "Used Truck" agency, absolutely blew our minds.
All of it real.  Fabergé Eggs, Charlemagne's Armour Case etc. etc.  The Major was diagnosed with terminal cancer and was given less than a year.  He hired us to see that these items got back to their original owners.  The Talmud was the last.
 


Edited by red clay - 11-Nov-2013 at 11:02
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  Quote yomud Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Nov-2013 at 18:43
this news blow up in iran so i just wanted to be the first man to share it

And there are many who would use this just to embarrass Obama

same in iran so many have do to ruhani   i hop this atomic problem fix fast so we could be friend ! Thumbs Up
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