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Topic: Who are the descendants of ancient Scythi Posted: 07-Jun-2005 at 13:18 |
Originally posted by Rava
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri
As you know Afrasyap is the rulers of Turan in Iranian's famous Firdevsi's Shahname during the fights of Iran - Turan. | Afrasyab or more exactly Frasyak (Modern Persian Harasnak) means "frightener" in Persian, it was just a title for the frightening enemy of Iran.
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Yore absolutely right Cyrus.
The Ayatkar-e Zariran <FONT face="Times New Roman">: <FONT face="Times New Roman">"He sent forward, to the country of Arian, Vidarafsh the sorcerer, and Wamkhvast of Hazar, with two myriads of chosen soldiers of good horsemanship. Then Jamasp, the leader of the leading men, immediately entered and said to King Vishtasp, "From Arjasp, the King of the Khyaonas, have come two messengers, than whom there is nobody more handsome in the whole country of the Khyaonas. "One of them is Vidarafsh, and the other Namkhvast of Hazar. They have with them two myriads of chosen troops. They hold a letter in their hands and say, "Let us go in before Ring Vishtasp.'" <FONT face="Times New Roman">[The Sacred Books and Early Literature of the East, (New York, 1917)<FONT face="Times New Roman"> ]
<FONT face="Times New Roman">This war had religious background. Pre-zoroastrian Khyaonas didn't accepted the reform. TheTjurks didn't shared the same religion complex with I-E tribes. Therefore Turanians could not be an ancestors of later Turks.
<FONT face="Times New Roman">As concern links between Poles and Scythians I would say that the tribal name Lach means exactly the same as aryia and abarmani. (noblesse, landowners).
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It's a reconstruction of 10th Century Polishmounted warriors. Doesn't they look eastern ? |
I dont know, but if you'd put "turkoman-turk" or anything eastern under that picture it would look more correct. I mean look at the armour, shields, helmets, and mainly horses...
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Rava
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Posted: 07-Jun-2005 at 13:23 |
Helmets szyszak remain sogdiana type not turkic ones.
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Posted: 07-Jun-2005 at 15:18 |
i think they look closest to soldiers of the Kievan Rus, like Druzhina or such...
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Posted: 07-Jun-2005 at 17:45 |
Exactly. Polans tribe + Varangians= Kievian Rus. Perhaps branch of Polans settled also into the Great Poland and together with Lach tribes built up Poland. This is why some call the country Poland while others Lahistan or Lechistan. Who were Polans? Etymology of this name could mean any steppe tribe.
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Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 06:23 |
Originally posted by Kenaney
OK CYRUS SCYTHIANS ARE
PERSIANS, SO ARE THE TURANS,
SO ARE THE SUMERITANS,TURKS
NEVER DID EXISTED IN THE
HISTORY, ALL OF
THEM ARE PERSIANS. PERSIAN
PEOPLE ARE SUPERIOR RACE, ARE
YOU GLAD NOW!!!!!
IM TIRED OF YOURE
BULLsh*t
WITHOUD ANY PROOFF!!
You say everything what comes up in youre mind, or youre butt!!!
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LOL Don't be so jalous my friend, Iran is just the craddle of the west civilization. That's a fact!
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Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 06:51 |
Originally posted by Kenaney
OK CYRUS SCYTHIANS ARE
PERSIANS, SO ARE THE TURANS,
SO ARE THE SUMERITANS,TURKS
NEVER DID EXISTED IN THE
HISTORY, ALL OF
THEM ARE PERSIANS. PERSIAN
PEOPLE ARE SUPERIOR RACE, ARE
YOU GLAD NOW!!!!!
IM TIRED OF YOURE
B
WITHOUD ANY PROOFF!!
You say everything what comes up in youre mind, or youre butt!!!
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It's epidemic Between Turk that knows Everythig or everyone as Turk!!!!
They know me Turk too Because I had Turkish Jean!!!!!lol
visit Bravest pepole Article
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Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 06:59 |
Kenaney now Feels, He is Soltan Mohamad the Conqueror or Soltan Salim |
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Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 08:40 |
right Im just about to laugh.. most things in the picture seem turkic.. either Tartar, Crimean Tartar, Khazar, Avar or something of their variant.. the armour is similar to the yushman or bakhteretz type, and the helmet my dear friend, you better look up yourself and stop fantasizing about the sogdiana.. also pay attention to the horses, and their saddles, and toe stirrups, and decoration.. and finally look at the lance tips..
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Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 09:04 |
Originally posted by Land of Aryan
Kenaney now Feels, He is Soltan Mohamad the Conqueror or Soltan Salim |
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First of all, we didnt have any Soltan Mohamads, But Sultan Mehmet Khans.
Why does he have to feel like them? He isnt victorious or glorious, he just did a wrong thing and we warned him about that was a wrong behavior. So why changing the discussion into something national?
Please go on with the current discussion...
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Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 11:00 |
Oguzoglu, now that it came up, are Mohammad and Mehmet two different names?
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"I won't laugh if a philosophy halves the moon"
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Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 13:24 |
Originally posted by baracuda
right Im just about to laugh.. most things in the picture seem turkic.. either Tartar, Crimean Tartar, Khazar, Avar or something of their variant.. the armour is similar to the yushman or bakhteretz type, and the helmet my dear friend, you better look up yourself and stop fantasizing about the sogdiana.. also pay attention to the horses, and their saddles, and toe stirrups, and decoration.. and finally look at the lance tips.. |
To see my fantasies much clear you might see some Pandzikent murrals. And learn a little bit about the Polouna kingdom - present Ferghana Valley.
Anyway Tjurks had learnt a lot from Scythians, and other iranic Central Asian tribes. Abars an aryian tribe, Varchionites and some turkic tribes, known together as European Avars are good example of a cultural symetry between steppe tribes of various origin. And the horses.. just imagination of the painter.
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Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 14:10 |
Originally posted by Rava
Originally posted by baracuda
right Im just about to laugh.. most things in the picture seem turkic.. either Tartar, Crimean Tartar, Khazar, Avar or something of their variant.. the armour is similar to the yushman or bakhteretz type, and the helmet my dear friend, you better look up yourself and stop fantasizing about the sogdiana.. also pay attention to the horses, and their saddles, and toe stirrups, and decoration.. and finally look at the lance tips.. |
To see my fantasies much clear you might see some Pandzikent murrals. And learn a little bit about the Polouna kingdom - present Ferghana Valley.
Anyway Tjurks had learnt a lot from Scythians, and other iranic Central Asian tribes. Abars an aryian tribe, Varchionites and some turkic tribes, known together as European Avars are good example of a cultural symetry between steppe tribes of various origin. And the horses.. just imagination of the painter.
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Yep iran is in Central asia, i didnt know that, hmmmmmmmmmmmm
Ok if abars (actually avars), scythians are iranic can you EXPLAIN ME WHAT DOES ALP ER TUNGA MEANS IN YOURE LANGUAGE???
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Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 14:19 |
Originally posted by ramin
Oguzoglu, now that it came up, are Mohammad and Mehmet two different names? |
Yes,
I mean They are same name Mehmet is Turkish of Muhammad. But We call Muhammet(SAV),When we are refering Our prophet. So Mehmet is different than Muhammad. And we call our soldiers as Mehmetik.
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Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 14:22 |
Originally posted by Murtaza
Originally posted by ramin
Oguzoglu, now that it came up, are Mohammad and Mehmet two different names? |
Yes,
I mean They are same name Mehmet is Turkish of Muhammad. We call Muhammet(When we are refering Our prophet). So Mehmet is different than Muhammad. And we call our soldiers as Mehmetik.
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Mehmetik means soldiers of prophet Muhammed s a s. (yanilmiyosam tabi)
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Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 14:25 |
Yanlyorsun We used It because We have much people have Mehmet name.(Yanlmyosam tabi)
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Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 14:28 |
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Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 14:30 |
Incase none of you have noticed, Iranian and Turkic traditional dress is very similar as should be expected considering both have had significant history in the same regions from Central Asia to the Middle East, Anatolia and far Eastern Europe.
Scythians are recognised as Iranic, so what if one or two individuals had names that coule be similar to those of Turkic origin? Today there are millions of Turkics with names of Iranian origin, Faramez for one, who posts on these boards his name is of Iranian origin "Faramarz", it does not make him Iranic, does it?
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Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 14:31 |
Originally posted by ramin
Kenaney you not only didn't edit your previous post, but started to mess things up even more. But at least we all now know that it's just your lack of knowledge and nothing else
Scythians
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Ok then, ill ask friendly to look at the first pic where Scythians and Sarmatians are, and take the modern atlas look which country there are...
so youll conclusion will be then....?
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Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 14:35 |
well... Spanish and British weren't in America until 16th century either!
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Posted: 08-Jun-2005 at 14:39 |
LoL while posting my last reply I missed a couple of your in between!
Murtaza Thnx for the info, and you too Kenaney
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