Turkic Pantheon

Originally posted by Ollios Originally posted by yomud well you should as this from some one who live in turkmenistan however i call phoenix as ghoghnus like all of my countryman ok im done my part now tell me about huma and umay Ghoghnus, what does it mean? I mean first letters sound like gök=sky. Do you know the origin of this word?

well persian wikipedia says it's came from greek word Kuknos but you also may right ! i never think that way !

wow you shock me having common history with persians is one thing having common myth is some thing els !


Edited by yomud - 28-Jan-2014 at 15:43

about Huma bird and luck

are the birds symbol of luck in many culture? I couldn't find it in here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lucky_symbols

it is an important figure in Turkey

the adv of national lottery in Turkey

Originally posted by yomud well you should as this from some one who live in turkmenistan however i call phoenix as ghoghnus like all of my countryman ok im done my part now tell me about huma and umay

Ghoghnus, what does it mean? I mean first letters sound like gök=sky. Do you know the origin of this word?

Huma and Umay issue, as you see in the photo, Umay has wings so maybe she can turn into a bird. Also when this bird crows on the head of new born baby. This means luck

Huma come from the Persian also there is an Indian version to which is Kaan Kerede (comes from Garuda). It can eat baby horse

BTW Kırghız people have different bird "Alp Kara Kuş"  which causes storm when it flys

Story of Kaan Kerede and Alp Kara kuş have similar mythic figures like giant bird, snake and baby birds

Thanks for the story

so Turkmens didn't call Angha as Emerald Angha, did they?

BTW even in the Harry Potter series the name of book "Order of the Phoenix" is somthing like "Fellowship of Emerald Angha"

Originally posted by ollios ]please send me some links about their difference We use word "Anka" (Angha) for phoenix in Turkish. They are same in my culture But I love to know reality in Iran

  well i couldn't find the good link as we all know phoenix dont have mate and in the end of his life he gather some wood and burn himself and reborn from his own egg and cycle of his life countiud but simorgh is not like that so i will tell you a story from shahname than you will get your answer angha is something very new i didn't hear it b4

there was very great prince in perisa name isfandyar he was a great and he do a lot of good thing one day as reward of good thing he has done prophet zoroaster took hims to well of eternity he enter the well with out any cloth holy water touch all of his skin after that he could be harm like achilles . isfandyar grow haughty since nothing could stop him the evil slowly grow with in him yet he consider is good hero not evil . in the and he ask from his father to hand over the throne he give 7 impossible task to isfandyar hoping he will fails the 6th i think was to kill the simorgh's babies so isfandyar goes to ghaf mountain in land of deives and kill the babies in simorgh's absents  the last task was to arrest or kill the rostam the another legendery persian hero who was champion of iranian in war against turanians . he was a hero who never defeated so isfandyar goes to baluchestan  where the rostam lives and they agee to fight next morning . next day fight start from morning to night with out stop or rest every time rostam hit isfandyar nothing happens every time isfandyar hit rostam   rostam bleeds at the night rostam for the first time ask for rokhsat ( it's demand of rest and fighting next day its shame for great hero to ask it's greater shame for opposite to refuse ) at the night rostam come back to home he was bleeding from feet to head he he lost a lot of blood . long time ago simorgh give rostam it's feather and told him if he need any help burn the feather in that night rostam burned the feather and simorgh fly to baluchestan and find nearly dead rostam . she quickly heal the rostam than rostam ask how he can defeat the foe which can not be defeated than simorgh answer when isfandyar enter the well he close his eye and water didn't touch his eye he give rostam the two head magical and poisoned arrow next day rostam kill the isfandyar

Originally posted by yomud wow ty ollios they are very lovely but how huma is in our mythology do you have any story about it ? i can show its status in takhte jamshid it completely is persian !

I said it came form Persian. It is bird in heaven, according to Islamic myhts. They took the pagan Persian figure and used it. Turks did same thing.

She is winged women so they used the Huma

Huma bird on the coast of arm of Uzbekistan

Originally posted by yomud and simorgh is not a Phoenix. Phoenix  in persian is ghoghnus !simorgh is magical bird and it can make egg and baby !btw ty again

please send me some links about their difference

We use word "Anka" (Angha) for phoenix in Turkish. They are same in my culture But I love to know reality in Iran




Edited by Ollios - 24-Nov-2013 at 16:46

Dragons

Evren/Ejder= Universe

Bukrek and Sangal: Sea Dragons, they fight each other

Zilant: In Tatar myths

Yelbeghen: A dragon which eats sun and moon during the eclipses

Originally posted by yomud yea you told me about sea gods but no Kraken or something els i was looking for ulgen pic in internet and i found this akana.blogcu.com the web is filtered and i cant see who is she  so i just guess you may something about it

It is symbolic picture of Akana. The previous age of Turkic mythology like Gaia in Greeks, she is the main goddess. Seas are in her responsibilty and deer is her symbol. She is also in creation myth.

Originally posted by yomud btw you didn't tell me something about sky we all know tulpar but what els our dragons dont have leg and wing so it can't fly so what will hunt our flying horse ?? and one more thing what do we have on ground except  itbarak ? what do are demons look like ?

Yes, we don't speak the creatures much

Originally posted by yomud do we have any sea or creatures ??

Sea? like sea god? we talked that before

Creatures? like Tulpar

Originally posted by yomud how do accept other people who change their religion to ours ? i mean in islam we must say some word and Christianity it has it's own way . what is our way ?

I have no idea but Kyrgyzstan has many tengrist people so ask them 

so your saying me long time ago we worship all gods at same time ? VERY COOL