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    Posted: 29-Apr-2013 at 00:41
Something here I don't understand. Dingling were ancestors of Kypchaks.
 

Caucasian origin
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" Many researchers also believe that Kipchaks were blond and blue-eyed, descended from the Dingling, who lived in the steppes of Southern Siberia in the end of the 1st millennium BC, and who were, according to the Chinese chroniclers, blonds. "

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" The Dingling were a warlike group of hunters, fishers, and gatherers of the southern Siberian mountain taiga region from Lake Baikal to northern Mongolia. Chinese records do not mention the physical appearance of the Dingling, suggesting general homogeneity with people of the Asiatic region, and their name appears rarely.[4][5][6] "



Kypchaks.

" Anthropologist SA Pletnev studied a group of burials of Kipchaks in Volga region and found them to be hybrid race of Caucasoid with some admixture of Mongoloid, with physical characteristics such as flat face and distinctly protruding nose "


What exactly did they mean by blond, homogeneity with Asiatic, Southern Siberia?
Where they supposed to be something like this?
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Originally posted by MrButlerKing

<span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.1875px;">Something here I don't understand. </span><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.1875px;">Dingling were ancestors of Kypchaks.</span>
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<span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.1875px;">" Many researchers also believe that Kipchaks were blond and blue-eyed, descended from the </span>Dingling<span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.1875px;">, who lived in the steppes of Southern Siberia in the end of the 1st millennium BC, and who were, according to the Chinese chroniclers, blonds. "</span>
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<span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.1875px;">" The Dingling were a warlike group of hunters, fishers, and gatherers of the southern Siberian mountain taiga region from Lake Baikal to northern </span>Mongolia<span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.1875px;">. Chinese records do not mention the physical appearance of the Dingling, suggesting general homogeneity with people of the Asiatic region, and their name appears rarely.</span><sup id="cite_ref-4" ="reference" style="line-height: 1em; font-family: sans-serif;">[4"><sup id="cite_ref-5" ="reference" style="line-height: 1em; font-family: sans-serif;">[5"><sup id="cite_ref-6" ="reference" style="line-height: 1em; font-family: sans-serif;">[6"> "
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Kypchaks.
" Anthropologist SA Pletnev studied a group of burials of Kipchaks in Volga region and found them to be hybrid race of Caucasoid with some admixture of Mongoloid, with physical characteristics such as flat face and distinctly protruding nose "
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<font face="sans-serif" size="2"><span style="line-height: 19.1875px;">What exactly did they mean by blond, homogeneity with Asiatic, Southern Siberia?</span>
<span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.1875px;">Where they supposed to be something like this?</span>
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Hmmm, based on my readings of these two Wikipedia articles, the connection between the Dingling and the Kipchaks is an oversimplification.    There are intermediate rearrangements of alliances, vassalages, and confederations, as well as changes of name.    It may be that it is the name which eventualy gets transferred from the original group to the next.
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Looks like a mixture of Slav and Mongoloid, probably originally from  central Russia.
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Posts: 4734 		  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-May-2013 at 11:41
I recall reading somewhere that the Digling where Huns...and there is a debate whether the Huns were Caucasians, or not /I really dislike those debates about race, but it seems that there is no way around them/.

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Based on translated texts I've seen, the Dingling were distinct from the Huns.   They lived to the north of the Huns and the Huns subjugated them, along with other groups called Hun-yü, Ch'ü-she, Ko-k'un, and Hsin-li, which also lived in the north.  Perhaps they were "Hunnic" (i.e. of the same culture and/or language family, or if not linguistically related, perhaps of the same ethnicity.)   What is missing is a physical description of them.   For us, they are merely names.   Whatever we conclude, it would merely be by inference, not by anything solid.   They being located north of the Huns (i.e. north of Mongolia) would probably put them among east Asian populations.   Again, merely an inference.
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Posts: 4734 		  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-May-2013 at 04:36
Thank you, Sharrukin, this was an important remark.
Anyway, I see the Huns as loose union of slightly diverse people, /like the Thracians or the Celts/;may be it's better to say a "Hunnic cultural continuum", because using one specific name Huns infers that this was one clearly cut ethnicity and may be a source of confusion. So Hunnic works for me better than Huns.
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