Why FYROM should not be called "Macedonia"

Bah, there is never gonna be a war between Greece and FYROM.
There are higher interests on stake.
Most probably, the issue is gonna go to Hague or Uppsala or UN or wherever, it's gonna be imposed on both and we will have to live with whatever they decide.
Of course there will be lots of negotiation, courts, give-and-takes, talks, dialogues, heated emotions, setbacks, and so on, and definitely much work for politicians, lobbyists, activists and such, money will be spent and thousands of work-hours better spent elsewhere.
And there will definitely be an outcome. But I am increasingly convinced that neither side will be satisfied by it.

Why don't we make a Joint state like the Bosnia-Herzegovina or Serbia-Montenegro and thus increase lands, population and power altogether? We are eternal neighbours anyway.

Originally posted by eaglecap Originally posted by Alexander of Macedon Originally posted by eaglecap What is this map about- a pipe dream to take back territory you think belongs to your ethnic group. I notice it goes beyond Macedonia and takes in part of thrace, don't forget Eastern Thrace on the Turkish side. You have no claim to these territories and the borders are where they are at so get over it. We don't want Thrace ,we want Ethnic Macedonia Stop dreaming- you Slavs have no claim and you do not have to chance against Greece to reclaim it. Plus, you might get spanked by the U.S., if you ever attempted to sieze land from the Greeks. What would your government do with the Greeks if it succeeded in a land grab? The cycle of war would never end because then the Greeks would reclaim it and this could go on for generations. S. Macedonia should simply accept the borders as they are!! What era is that map from?

Its a facist pan-slavic Macedonian map.

I found this written in the Macedonia for the Macedonians Forum:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/195082
in a posting titled: Where are all the Greeks now??

And I quote:
It seems now that this forum is being moderated, and ONLY intelligent, well thought out arguments are being permitted to be posted, that all the Greeks suddenly have nothing else to say!!

Could it be that the Greeks on this forum have ONLY lies, fallacies and ethnic slurring to offer to support their LUDICROUS arguments?

Could it be that the Greeks on this forum have absolutely NO solid facts to offer in order to support their OUTLANDISH claims?

Could it be that the Greeks on this forum are products of a brainwashing campaign that dates back to the formation of their own artificial state back in 1829?

Could it be that the Greeks on this forum have nothing constructive to offer in the way of a solution to this ongoing Greek/Macedonian dispute?

Could it be that the Greeks on this forum have an aversion to any culture that is not "Greek" and especially to those cultures that are Slavic?

I think all of the above statements accurately reflect the reality of the situation and explain why all of a sudden the Greeks on this forum have nothing else to say!

You are all sub-human, Monarcho-Fascist degenerates just like your idiotic bureaucrats who, and I use the term extremely loosely, "lead" you! If your government continues on its present course with regards to the Greek/Macedonian dispute, they will do nothing but alienate your country and people from the rest of Europe, and indeed, the rest of the world!

The rest of the world has moved on - it's time you degenerate inbreds did the same! You self-proclaimed "Hellenes" are most certainly NOT superior to anyone or anything! Get over yourselves! Even the lowly insects that crawl upon the surface of our world exhibit traits superior to those which are exhibited by you Greeks!

If it were possible, I would suggest that you all resign from the human race. You are a disgusting example of what people should NOT be like!
End of quote.

And I ask: Do they deserve and answer?
So immature, so immature...

Originally posted by eaglecap Very immature and foolish!! Thank God people like him do not call the shots otherwise the region would be sucked back into the same cycle of war that has plagued the area for centuries. Here is another crazy debate site: http://www.network54.com/Forum/22270

Crazy debate? LOL, that is not even a debate. Just crazy.
It looks like 10-yr olds swearing at eachother, on the lines of: "My mom is better than your mom."
People can get really stupid...

Union? I could see if they were a hellenic people, byt they are only slavic, so it wouldnt work out. 

True, but in this case, theres No will, so theres no way...

Originally posted by eaglecap What era is that map from?

It's a home-made map. Probably some extremist who has tried to prove his "claims" by showing something that never existed.

I was curious because I have studied the history of the Balkans enough that I did not recognize the map and figured it was a fictional propaganda map, wishful thinking.

Borders are where they are at so some FYROM should get over it. Some of them on the Network54 debate forum tried to tell me that my Papoo was a Pontian Turk who came to Greece in 1922 but he was born in E. Thrace in 1895 and so where his parents and so on. He was in America in 1922 so it they're full of baloney.

He was Greek but born in Turkey but of course I do not consider myself an ethnic Turk although many Turks today have Greek blood. Of course my nationality is U.S. but by token of being half Greek and 1/4 German I suppose by ethnicity I am a German/Greek American. The other 1/4 is too mixed to count.

Originally posted by Menippos ......if your stomach doesn't fill up with butterflies every time you hear the Anthem.