The most fierce tribe in N. America

It's really an apache legend and part of apache folklore, so we can't really know if it's true, but it's quite possible that some meso-americans(aztecs or not) have retreated north terrified by spaniards. This is part of apache stories about their pre-history. We know surely that apaches completely hided when spanish came and spaniards knew nothing about them till apaches started raiding spanish settlements. Unlike in woodlands, all south-west tribes tried to avoid europeans. They must have known much more about these new-comers than woodland tribes knew, so they may have been in contact with some that meso-americans that knew much more about europeans, not just: they are shiny and have huge animals.

That site has some crap information:

Its only speaking correctly about plains apaches influenced by other tribes. western bands had completely different culture and had nothing to do with comanches.

Rio Grande thing is crap: we can't divide apaches even roughly as every band was independent.

"Some names of Apache bands in Texas were Limita, Conejero, and Trementina": not native apache names so crap.

apaches arrived roughly at 1400 to utah and colorado, not earlier.

only less numerous and not so warlike eastern apaches had serious war with the comanches, western ones were tougher and mostly moved to arizona and western new mexico at their own will.

Altough comanche tribes pushed eastern apaches to more deserted areas, they were severely beaten by spanish and jicarilla warriors in 18th century.

btw, the Meso-American legend is western apache origin: told to me by some White Mountain tribesmen. We can't know whether it happened or not as it is apache pre-history, so I wouldn't argue about this.

Originally posted by Jalisco Lancer but at least then quote your sources instead of merely disqualify it. Regards

That guy really likes the word "crap."

well i'd like to say the cherokee (im 1/8) but that would be lying! heh, my brothers were just push over pansies.. but id have to say the most fierce are the sioux. they were the last indian tribe to win a major engagement with American troops during the Sioux war.

I had heard it was the Osage, but I could be wrong.......

I know little about the Iriqouis but that I share an ancestry with them but I will have to do some research in the future but I found this if anyone is interested. I have done much more research on the Salish tribes of E. Washington and N. Idaho.

http://www.tolatsga.org/iro.html

Originally posted by RomiosArktos The way indians fought must have been really savage and fierce,at least that was the impression given to me watching Michael Mann's '<span style="font-style: italic;">'The Last of the Mohicans'' </span>Were the Mohicans a tribe that really existed or is it fictional?<span style="font-style: italic;"> </spanspan style="font-style: italic;"> </span>

I am sure they were fierce but I would not take Hollywood too literal but do some research.
From what I understand the Apache would torture their enemies to death because it had something to do with their beliefs in reincarnation. By torturing the enemy their souls could not get rest. I tried to find something on this via the internet but nothing so far. I found this in a history book about the Apache and the fact is they did torture their enemies. I read one sad story about how they captured a wagon train with American and Mexican men and woman. They let the Americans go and also the Mexican women but they tied the Mexican men to the spokes of the wheels and sadly set them on fire- horrible!!! This was before they realized what a threat the Americans really were to their culture.
Of course, they are not longer like this but they were true warriors.

I think the word Indian is not appropriate to use Romios.Better Native Americans.

Originally posted by eaglecap I read somewhere that their language is related to the Turkic language but I have no source on that.

Maybe distantly related to the Ural-Altaic languages(possibly closer to Mongol language) since most of the natives migrated from eastern parts of what is now Russia to Alaska.When exactly happened this?Difficult to know since there is no written evidence.

PS:I am afraid i used an inappropriate term,the word natives should be replaced by Native Americans.I apologise for this.


Edited by RomiosArktos

There is no question that the Native American Empires have to be considered as among the most fierce tribes. How can their achievements be disregarded? To ignore the empires of the Mexica and the Mayas would be absurd on the very face of this question! It would be like denying that Roman soldiers conquered much of their known world and were not among the greatest warriors of the old world, simply because they fell to invasions by germanic tribes in 476 A.D. Are we simply talking about resistence to Europeans as a the standard? The criteria must include the accomplishments they achieved prior to European invasion! One could ask that question about resistence to the European invasion, however that is entirely a different question! Who would deny the heroic defence and defiance of the Aztec culture once they realized that Cortez was not a returning god! What about the Maya resistence until 1697 and the fall of Tayasal! Clearly these nations must be considered as the fiercest. I wish to consider what tribe would be the fiercest in the continental United States and respond to that later. However many responses seem to be basing there responses to resistence to European invasion. I have studied extensively about the Souix, Commanches, Iroqois, Apaches and Modocs? All worthy of consideration if we are talking about fighting European incursion? What about Chief Joseph and the Nez Pierce in spite of their small numbers? They defeated every American army until they were forced to surrender, after miscalculating the distance of those pursuing them, just 40 miles from their destination in Canada? What about the Seminole? Tecumseh and the Shawnee? Is there enough information about tribes prior to European incursion? What about victories by eastern woodland tribes that killed many more then Souix did when attacked by Custer? I wish to consider this before I respond. Any websites others might suggest to me would be appreciated.