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    Posted: 06-May-2005 at 09:53
 Forgotten craftsmen who built Taj Mahal

As it's Iranian Architect

The names of more than 670 previously unknown "masons and labourers" who helped build the Taj Mahal have been discovered by a team of Indian archaeologists.

The findings by the Indian Archaeological Survey tell a forgotten story of the craftsmen who were summoned to Agra in northern India 350 years ago to build the great monument to loss and love.

The names, mostly in Arabic and Persian, were found etched into the sandstone walls and peripheral structures on the northern side of the monument.

"Most of these masons came from Iran, Central Asia and India," said D Dayalan, the superintending archaeologist. "The names have been meticulously divided into sections such as dome makers, garden development department, furnishing workers and inlay artists." [Continue]:
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2005 at 10:49
im not sure but i know the artists hands were cut off, so that they could never reproduce such work of beauty again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Oct-2005 at 12:26

I Found Architects name:

Hail to: Ostad Eisa Shirazi & his son Mohamad Shirazi

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Oct-2005 at 12:29

It was commissioned by the mughul Emperor Shah Jahan, the son of Jahangir, as a mausoleum for his Persian wife, Princess Arjumand Banu Begum, also known as Mumtaz-ul-Zamani.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taj_Mahal
http://www.tajmahalindia.net/taj-mahal-architecture.html

Architect & craftsmen were Persian.

recently Europeans said Architect was Italian!!!

Surely This Italian was Esfahan Lover, or He has Built Shiraz & Esfahan Places before, Wink



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 02:29

 

Good example of some Iranian friends' claim on everything being Persian.

Strange, the artical says the masons were from Iran, Central Asia and India. Then suddenly came these remarks:

As it's Iranian Architect

Architect & craftsmen were Persian.

LOL, you guys.

Either make a history or become a history.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 08:12

Well barbar he is right it is a well know fact the architect was Persian/Iranian this is not a claim more of a fact. Just as Michael Angelo, Leonardo, Colombus where all Italians.

So what if he is Persian? Myabe he presented it wrong, it was built by Iranians, and Indians, showing what two cultures could build when combining their art, skills and minds together. So for me the Taj Mal is also a representation of Indian and Iranian Art and harmony

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 08:21

http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/southasia/Culture/Archit/TajM.htm l

The Taj Mahal in Agra is indisputably the most famous example of Mughal architecture. Described by Rabindranath Tagore as "a tear on the face of eternity", it is in popular imagination a veritable "wonder of the world".

The white-splendored tomb was built by Emperor Shah Jahan in the memory of his favourite wife, Arjumand Banu Begum, better known as Mumtaz Mahal ("Chosen of the Palace"). She married Shah Jahan in 1612 to become his second wife and inseparable companion, and died in childbirth at Burhanpur while on a campaign with her husband in 1629. Shah Jahan was, it is said, inconsolable to the point of contemplating abdication in favour of his sons. The court went into mourning for over two years; and Shah Jahan decided to commemorate the memory of Mumtaz with a building the like of which had never been seen before.

http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/modern/godbole_taj1.ht ml

http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/BuildingDetail/141.php

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/question_of_the_taj_mahal.htm

The legend of the Taj Mahal tells us that it was built by Shah Jahan (1628-1658 AD), the fifth generation Mogul Emperor, as a mausoleum to his wife Mumtaz Mahal. And that 20,000 men worked incessantly for 22 years to complete the magnificent marble edifice.

Mumtaz died in 1631 AD, at Barhanpur where she was buried and a mausoleum was erected. Six months later her body was shifted to Agra to be buried in what is known as the Temporary Grave--which is demarcated and can be seen even today--a few meters to the southwest of the Taj Mahal. And subsequently her body was laid to rest inside the Taj Mahal.

The main supporting pieces of the above thesis are cited from the following documents, which will be discussed in detail in the course of this paper.

i) The Badshahnama1, an important court journal of Shah Jahan, written by Mulla Abdul Hamid Lahori.

ii) The firmans (court orders) of Shah Jahan to Raja Jai Singh of Jaipur2, pertaining to the acquisition of marble from the Makrana quarries in Rajasthan.

iii) Travelogue of Peter Mundy3, an employee of the East India Company, who visited Agra between 1631-1633 AD.

iiii) Travelogue of J. B. Tavernier4, a French merchant who visited India five times between 1638-1668 AD.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 08:24

I believe Land of Aryan you forgot this to add to your list of forgotten craftsman. This is a List of their Names, Place of origin and how much they got paid. Notice that There are Indian, Iranian and Even Arabs involved in this beautiful monument.

1. Ustad Isa (Agra/Shiraz)   Chief Architect  Rs. 1,000
2. Ismail Khan Rumi (Rum)  Dome Expert Rs. 500
3. Muhammad Sharif (Samarkhan) Pinnacle Expert Rs. 500
4. Kasim Khan (Lahore)  Pinnacle Experts  Rs. 295
5. Muhammad Hanief (Khandahar)  Master Mason  Rs. 1,000
6. Muhammad Sayyid (Multan)  Master Mason  Rs. 590
7. Abu Torah (Multan)  Master Mason  Rs. 500
8. - - - (Delhi)  Master Mason  Rs. 400
9. - - - (Delhi)  Master Mason  Rs. 375
10. - - - (Delhi)  Master Mason  Rs. 375
11. Amanat Khan Shirazi (Shiraz)  Calligrapher  Rs. 1,000
12. Qadar Zaman  Calligrapher  Rs. 800
13. Muhammad Khan (Bagdad)  Calligrapher  Rs. 500
14. Raushan Khan (Syria)  Calligrapher  Rs. 300
15. Chiranji Lal (Kanauj)  Inlay Worker  Rs. 800
16. Chhoti Lal (Kanauj)  Inlay Worker  Rs. 380
17. Mannu Lal (Kanauj)  Inlay Worker  Rs. 200
18. Manuhar Singh (Kanauj)  Inlay Worker  Rs. 200
19. Ata Muhammad (Bokhara)  Flower Carver  Rs. 500
20. Shaker Muhammad (Bokhara)  Flower Carver  Rs. 400
21. Banuhar  Flower Carver  - - -
22. Shah Mal  Flower Carver  - - -
23. Zorawar  Flower Carver  - - -
24. Pira (Delhi)  Carpenter  - - -
25. Ram Lal Kashmiri (Kashmir)  Garden Expert  - -

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/question_of_the_taj_mahal.htm



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 09:11

Tnx RakhshClap

forget barbar, he probably believe Indian, Persian have to be turk to build it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 09:30

Ustad Isa (Agra/Shiraz)  well  If  I  am not wrong race of this guy dont known,so I dont think  we should call this persian.(Ustad was  a common  used word in turkey)

Ismail Khan Rumi (Rum) absolutely Turk and comes from ottomans.

I think only persian who called as rum was Mevlana Rumi.(If he is)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 11:18
Originally posted by barbar

 

Good example of some Iranian friends' claim on everything being Persian.

Strange, the artical says the masons were from Iran, Central Asia and India. Then suddenly came these remarks:

As it's Iranian Architect

Architect & craftsmen were Persian.

LOL, you guys.

"LOL us guys"?  How about LOL, Telegraph? One of the UK's leading broadsheet quality newspapers? pff...

Ust歍/Ost歍 is a Persian word that  means "expert" in an academic/arts context. And the suffix, "Shirazi" leaves little doubt as to his origin, there are not many Torki people in Shiraz and the ones there arrived in the modern period.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 12:47

This one was built by Persians themselves but Turks have also built many great Persian buildings in Iran and its neighbouring countries!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 14:18

Ok cyrus,

we where (maybe still) influenced by the big culture of the persian in the that period,

as you surely know Turkic people where in that time a nomadic living people,

So We did like what the romans did in the time, they picked up greek architecture and little bit costumized and called roman architecture, then they toke the greek gods and renamed them. Everything that they dont had did they toke from greeks and even from Etruscians.

We did the same as romans but religion we toke whas arabic.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 17:43
I did not know of many or any great building in Iran built by Turks, can you specify please, thank you. And name of builder thanks
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 17:43
It seems that Shah Jihan invited the best craftsman all over the Islamic world [Iran, Iraq, Syria, Diyar- Rum (Turkey), India, Kashmir, Turkistan (Bokhara), etc, etc.). This means it is a collective work of the Islamic world. This is what makes it nice...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 23:01
Sorry how is Diyar-y Rum turkish?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Oct-2005 at 02:52

hehe  Ottomans called themself also ruler of rums.

Interestingly, old turks also called them rum(Or maybe they were realy converted rum,  later asimilated).

we still call our European part of turkey as Rum-eli, place of rum,  and asian part as Anatolia, an other greek word.

 

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http://www.archinform.net/arch/37285.htm?ID=JscPU34fgQjGF8Et

It say he is either a turk or persian.

He was accompanied by a Turkish architect, Isa Muhammad Effendi, a pupil of the greatest Turkish architect Sinan.

And also say this.

 

http://www.alshindagah.com/janfeb2004/ladyoftaj.html

It is believed that Master Isa Afandi from Turkey was charged with designing the building. Muhammad Khan from Shiraz and Abdul Ghaffar from Multan were appointed as calligraphers. Qadir Zaman Khan from Arabia was made in charge of art and interiors of the building. In short, the services of the most skilled people of the age were secured for constructing this grand monument. Each of them would be paid a handsome monthly salary until the completion of their work. The laborers and workers working under them, numbered 20,000 men. It took them twenty years to complete the entire Taj Mahal.

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http://www.tajmahalindia.net/taj-mahal-monument.html

Despite  several controversies that claim that the Taj Mahal was designed by an Italian Geronimo Veroneo, or a French silversmith Austin de Bordeaux, the first real evidence of the architect's identity emerged in the 1930s when a seventeenth century manuscript called the Diwan-i-Muhandis was found to mention the Taj Mahal. This manuscript contains a collection of several poems written by Luft Allah, including several verses in which he describes his father, Ustad Ahmad from Lahore, as the architect of the Taj Mahal and the Red Fort at Delhi. Ahmad was a Persian engineer-astrologer. Luft Allah also states that Shah Jehan conferred upon his father the title "Nadir al-Asr" (the Wonder of the Age); unfortunately court histories do not corroborate this claim. Other sources record that Ustad Ahmad was one of the architects of the Red Fort. Further evidence has been found of other large projects undertaken by Ustad Ahmad, strengthening the plausibility of his son's claim. It is interesting to note that Ustad Ahmad had a number of aliases : Ustad Khan Effendi, Ustad Mohammed, Isa Khan, Isa Effendi and a number of permutations of the name - fictional amalgam of Muslim sounding names, most likely the invention of latter-day British guidebook writers.

It must be emphasised that the design of the Taj Mahal cannot be ascribed to any single master-mind. The Taj is the culmination of an evolutionary process. It is the perfected stage in the development of Mughal architecture. The names of many of the builders who participated in the construction of the Taj in different capacities have come down to us through Persian sources. A project as ambitious as the tomb of Mumtaz Mahal demanded talent from many quarters. From turkey came Ismail Khan a designer of hemispheres and the a builder of domes. Qazim Khan, a native of Lahore travelled to Agra to cast the solid gold finial that crowned the Turkish master's dome. Chiranjilal, a local lapidary from Delhi was chosen as the chief sculptor and mosaicist. Amanat Khan from Shiraz was the chief calligrapher, and this fact is attested on the Taj gateway where his name has been inscribed at the end of the inscription. Muhammad Hanif was the Supervisor of masons, while Mir Abdul Karim and Mukkarimat Khan of Shiraz handled finances and the management of daily production. Sculptors from Bukhara, calligraphers from Syria and Persia, inlayers from South India, stonecutters from Baluchistan, a man who specialised in building turrets, another who carved only marble flowers - thirty seven men in all formed the creative nucleus, and to this core was added a labour force of twenty thousand workers recruited from across North India.

 

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http://www.taj-mahal-india-travel.com/taj-mahal-design-layou t.html

Proud Architects of Taj Mahal
The names of the chief architect who worked on the Taj have been noted. Ismail Afandi, who designed the hemispheres and built the domes was from Turkey. Qazim Khan came from Lahore to cast the gold finial that would top the dome. Chiranji Lal was called from Delhi to pattern the mosaic. From Shiraz in Persia came master calligrapher, Amanat Khan. Stone cutter Amir Ali was from Baluchistan. Ustad Isa of Tukey is however credited to have been the main architect. It is believed that his design embodied much of what the Emperor wanted to express.

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http://www.pbs.org/treasuresoftheworld/taj_mahal/tlevel_2/t3 build_design.html

Several designers and architects thirty seven men in all are mentioned by name in the official Mughal histories, and it is probable that they would have worked together to form the creative team that shaped the Taj Mahal:

Ismail Afandi (a.k.a. Ismail Khan) who had worked for the great Ottomans in Turkey as a designer and builder of domes;
Qazim Khan, a goldsmith from Lahore who cast the gold finial that crowns the dome;
Chiranji Lal, a lapidary from Delhi chosen as the chief mosaicist;
Amanat Khan from Shiraz, the master calligrapher whose signature is inscribed on the Taj gateway;
Mohammed Hanif, Multan and Quandhar, master masons from Delhi; and
Mukrimat Khan and Mir Abdul Karim from Shiraz, chief supervisors and administrators.

Ustad Ahmad (a.k.a. Isa Khan), an architect in the court of Shah Jahan from Lahore, is most often credited as the chief architect (or plan drawer) of the Taj Mahal, based on a seventeenth century manuscript which claims that Ustad Ahmad was the architect of both the Taj Mahal and the Red Fort at Delhi.

Say this.

So I  dont think you have enough proof to say architect of Taj Mahal was persian.

I thing kotumeyil is right, It is a combined work of severals.

 



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"Rum" was the Arabic version of "Rome". Istanbul was the capital city of the Roman Empire. When Ottomans took Istanbul, the Padishah became Sultan- Rum (Sultan of the Roman lands). In Kurdish, some people still call Turks as "Romiyan = Romans"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Oct-2005 at 05:24

I did not know of many or any great building in Iran built by Turks, can you specify please, thank you. And name of builder thanks

Ustad Qamish Qulaq who built both Chehel Sotun Palace and Shahzade Hossein Mausoleum in Qazvin in the 16th century.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Oct-2005 at 10:56

I agree it was a combination of different craftsmen, That is for sure....

 

but you said

So I  dont think you have enough proof to say architect of Taj Mahal was persian.

I think there is enough evidence to say the Architect is Persian, the fact is most architects work in teams when delaing with major projects,

Ustad Isa (Agra/Shiraz)   Chief Architect  Rs. 1,000

See the chief architect bit? Can you see faults with this arguement?

Ustad Isa is the assumed architect of the Taj Mahal, which was ordered to be built by Shah Jahan as a burial place for himself and his wife Arjumand Banu Begum. The construction of the Taj Mahal began in 1632 and took 22 years. A group of architects were called from various countries of the world, which included the Ottoman Empire, India, Persia and Italy. Credit for the construction as the head of all architects is usually given with some uncertainty to Ustad Isa, who was either Turkish or Persian. He was accompanied by a Turkish architect, Isa Muhammad Effendi, a pupil of the greatest Turkish architect Sinan, who presumably drew the final plan of the building, a Venetian named Geronimo Veroneo, who played a major role in the planning stage of the construction and Amanat Khan Shirazi, a Persian, who was possibly in charge of the calligraphy, where verses from the Koran are carved onto the marble.

It says assumed there is nothing assumed about it, How Italy enters I have no idea but as the other articles I showed and more then 2 sources showed that the Cheif architect was Persian, if Ismail Khan Rumi (Rum) is Turkish then his actually was the Dome Expert, that was his part, beautiful Dome as well.

There is not enough evidence to support that Ismail Khan Rumi (Rum) was the chief architect but more that shows that Ustad Isa (Agra/Shiraz)  was the cheif Architect.

I apologise if I said Ismail Khan Rumi (Rum) was not Turkish, that part was a wrong on my part I admit. But the cheif Architect was Ustad Isa (Agra/Shiraz), however I do not doubt there must have been other architects helping him that were Inidan, Arabs and even turks.....

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