Qing is not China,but a Mongolian Dynasty

And where did Ruslan get the idea that Mandarin means Hu yu from? Mandarin is commonly known as Putonghua (common language), Guoyu (national language), or Guanhua (literally language of the mandarin), never Hu hua (foreign language). Mandarin might have been more different than middle Chinese, but that's naturally because Beijing was the political center of China for the past 7 centuries. This goes with any language where the least changes in any language always remain in the peripheral region where activities are limited. Khalkh Mongolian also adopts lots of Russian and English vocab, whereas Ordos Mongolian is closer to original Mongolian in both vocab and pronunciation. It doesn't mean Khalkh Mongolian is a foreign language. Study some linguistics before making a stupid comment like that.

Originally posted by Ruslan i'm ethnically Manchurian,Manchurian Qing Empire is not a part of Chinese history,but Mongolian history. the name of the first Khan of Qing Empire,Nurhaci,the name came from a Mongolian word,means“destroyer”.  his title "Sure Beile" and "Kundulen Han" are both Mongolian. "Aisingoiro" means "golden surname" in Mongolian language. the ancestor of Nurhaci is a Mongolian Darughachi named "Möngke Temür",literally means "Eternal Iron" in the Mongolian language. the name of Qing Empire came for the Mongolian word "Daichin",which means "warrior",in Chinese read as "Daiqing(代清)" or "Daqing(大清)", Qing Empire ,literally means "warrior empire". we are not the descendant of Jurchens, Jurchens were slaughtered by the Mongols in 13th century,we are Mongols Qing is not China,but a Mongolian Dynasty which ruled China.

I can verify that Ruslan is a liar and neither Mongol nor Manchu. Ruslan is a name used by Russians, and is not a Mongol or Manchu name.

"Aisin Gioro" does not mean anything in Mongolian. In Mongolian, "Altan" means gold. "Aisin" only means gold in Manchu. Gioro does not mean anything in Mongolian at all. "Gioro" originated from a place name where the Aisin Gioro clan originated. "Hala" means surname in Manchu.

Nurhaci's original name in Manchu is actually Nurgaci, similar to his brother's name Surgaci, Yarhaci, and Murhaci, it is written as Nurhaci because of the naming taboo for Emperors.

"Beile" is a Manchu title, not a Mongolian title.

Koreans and Vietnamese Emperors used to write their names in Chinese characters and used Chinese script to write their languages. Does that mean they are Chinese? So does non-Mongols using Mongol names and script mean they are Mongol?

The Manchu originated from the Jianzhou Jurchen confederation in Jilin. They were sedentary farmers and not pastoral nomads like Mongols.

Originally posted by Ruslan Originally posted by lirelou Considering that the Qing adopted Chinese language, customs, and civil adminstrative practices for the purpose of ruling China, and that their right to do was was based upon the right of conquest, I'd say that all the Qing lands now belong to China by that same right. I.e., they took over en empire, and eventually that empire took over them. Mongolia is a bit different in that after Ghengiz, different Mongol hordes ruled different parts. Had Manchukuo survived World War II intact, history might see a different Manchuria, but whose present boundaries would be subject what it had lost to Russia, China, and modern Mongolia.  You can't can't base modern claims on some semi-mythical past, however nice the map may look. today's official Chinese language is Mandarin, Chinese people call it “胡语” or "金鞑虏语",which means "foreign language". Mandarin is a mixture of Manchurian,Mongolian and northern Chinese language. the real Chinese language is similar to Cantonese,very different as Mandarin. most of Manchu customs originated from Mongols,including script,costumes and traditional sports such as Buku(wrestling). Mongol costume Manchu costume   Chinese costume

Another humongous lie. I'm starting to think that you aren't Manchu or Mongol at all, but someone who is trying to make Manchus and Mongols look stupid by impersonating them. Chinese call Mandarin as 官話 guanhua which means "the speech of officials", and Mandarin was spoken since the Ming dynasty before the Qing ever existed. Standard Mandarin is called Putonghua 普通話 (common language). Mandarin is a clearly Sinitic language related to Cantonese and sounds nothing like Mongolian or Manchu.

Mandarin:
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yi er san si wu liu qi ba jiu shi

Cantonese:
yat yih sam sei ng luk chat bat gau sap

mandarin: ni hao, wo shi guangdong ren 你好、我是廣東人
cantonese: nei ho, ngoh si gwong dung yan. 你好、我係廣東人

Now repeat that in Mongol and Manchu and see if they sound anything remotely similar to each other as Cantonese and Mandarin do to each other.



Edited by kemes - 21-Jan-2015 at 15:03

If the manchurians can claim the Ming Palace as theirs then why can't China claim the Qing dynasty as part of Chinese history? Nevertheless, Qing dynasty has nothing to be proud of because the Chinese history has many great civilizations such as the Tang dynasty. Even manchurians never admit themselves as part of China there is nothing to lose. 

Nothing new here...forced assimilation of an alien culture was the norm for this era. The west did it vis a vie the opium wars for trade purposes. Missionaries intent good or bad did the same...nothing new.

halkha-mongols descendants Munchurian 

Originally posted by bolat kemes I don't know who he is such, but Ruslan not the Russian name Ruslan from the Turkic word Arslan, on Turkic "lion"