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    Posted: 26-Jan-2012 at 19:12
Originally posted by medenaywe

Yes,that's one of the points of this story.Other one is:Were Jesus&Mary contemporary followers of this cult
most extended in ancient world those days?

AFAIK the early Christianity shared ground with the Roman state religion, /which, like the Greek one, had plenty of female goddesses that took aspects of the Great Mother archetypal image/, and with the Egyptian religion, /whose Isis is another Great Mother/, and the Anatolian Cybele, who was adopted in Roma as "Magna Mater" /which means exactly Great Mother/, so when Christianity was made an official religion, Virgin Mary just slid in the place of those female deities.

In other words, the Great Mother under different names, but with the same function, was widespread all over the Roman Empire, and were worshipped with gusto. Caligula is known to have relied on the Great Mother, in the face of Isis /but he called her "Great Mother", just like Cybele/, and legitimized her in Rome, and all his sisters were priestesses on Isis.
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2012 at 18:49
Originally posted by Cryptic

Was there ever truly a "cult of the the great mother goddess"?   My general impression is that the idea of a trans cultural "mother goddess" is largely a creation of the modern (post 1960s)  neo paganism or new age movements in the USA. 
 
Though ancient cultures did have fertility goddeses and a variety of other female dieties, I dont think there is any archaelogical evidence of a universal "mother goddess cult".

I'm not talking about Gimbutas and the supposed universsl Neolithic cult to Mother-Goddess, this may be so, maybe not, even though I think she has a good case; I'm talking about the fertility godesses that were around since Catal Huyuk, and later were transformed in goddesses for the type of Inanna/Isis/Cotys/Cybele/Kali, etc. Moreover, I'm talking about cultural archetypes, which fit into each other, as Campbell talks about. Whatever the case is, the Virgin Mary image is one directly coming from Inanna/Isis/Kali, notwithstanding if the last came from any supposed universal cult, or not.
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  Quote Cryptic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2012 at 16:49
Was there ever truly a "cult of the the great mother goddess"?   My general impression is that the idea of a trans cultural "mother goddess" is largely a creation of the modern (post 1960s)  neo paganism or new age movements in the USA. 
 
Though ancient cultures did have fertility goddeses and a variety of other female dieties, I dont think there is any archaelogical evidence of a universal "mother goddess cult".


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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2012 at 03:23
Yes,that's one of the points of this story.Other one is:Were Jesus&Mary contemporary followers of this cult
most extended in ancient world those days?
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2012 at 03:07
The Virgin Mary was just another projection of the cult of the Great Mother/Inanna/Isis etc. She has all the signs of a Great Mother:
- being self-sufficient = the virgin birth, since no man is neccessary for it. She being ompregnated with teh word of god is only due to the change of society from matriarchal to patriarchal, hence God became male.
- giving birth of life = Jesus is the eternal life itself, the change from physical to spiritual life is only because the society became able to think in more symbolic way.
- taking care of females, birth, death = Mother Mary is seen as female-caretaker, called and prayed for women in labour.

All in all, the Great Goddess is one of the human cultural archetypes, those cultural matrixes that are filled with new content, but retain the old one. In some ways the Virgin was accepted because the cultural archetype pf the Great Goddess was so old and accepted one.
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2012 at 01:36
Those people worship her.In Balkans,there are lot of places with St.Mary local celebration according church calender of course!Meaning of INRI as one of possibilities is one that is exposed above!Bible and it's texts inside have passed long duration copy&paste period of time so that,real meaning&purpose of them(INRI) could be known today!But according some new data about language should be revealed by me,It is one of possibilities.Non logical today does not means,non logical in that moment when religion had been changed and New one established by Rome!
Those people in Italy also worship her:(Their PaPa also!)Smile
http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne+News/World/Story/A1Story20100510-215260.html



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Originally posted by Nick1986

Actually INRI is the abbreviation of Jesus of Nazareth King (Rex) of the Jews. The bible itself verifies this
 
Correct.
 
Given by the Romans not Jews... as a title of respect and or derision (depends on viewpoint and interpret) at his crucifixion...as a means of identifying what they viewed as a political criminal. This in turn based on his professions and the manipulation of his words by the Elders. Not necessarily as the council id' ...as an apostate-blasphemer etc.
 
The leap is to far to assume he is related as a mother cult replacement or that his mother was his superior.  For one thing he was male not female consequently an identification of him as a replacement for a maternal figure is an oxymoron at best....revisionist at worst.  As for his mother... Scripture deny's this.
 
She is not worshipped.. she is venerated. There is a significant difference.
 
 
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Actually INRI is the abbreviation of Jesus of Nazereth King (Rex) of the Jews. The bible itself verifies this
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2012 at 04:22
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jan-2012 at 06:49
Main claim is:Virgin Ma(o)ry(i) character in ancient screenplay was created for Jesus support,cause believers of Great Mother were most numerous!New religion was established on top of it's most popular predecessor!


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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jan-2012 at 06:23
How did Rome spreed around it adopt all religions from occupied territories:
Cybele entered the Roman sphere at a crucial juncture in history. In 205-202 BCE at the close of the Second Punic War, the Romans narrowly defeated Carthage, their rival for control of the western Mediterranean region. Bloodied but victorious, the state felt it owed some measure of that victory to Cybele, since, according to Roman historical records, it was on the advice of an oracle that her worship had been imported to Italy.
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jan-2012 at 04:58
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jan-2012 at 04:54
Here is official version from Council of Nicaea:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15459a.htm


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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Jan-2012 at 04:44
Instead of Great Mother,Jesus had had his mother Mary!Was her name,Mory in the beginning?Connection with Great Mother,Ma(o!)Ri,still exists?In some areas of Med sea&Balkans,cult of Virgin Mary is bigger than Christ as God!Great Mother name literary translated means "Womb"=From Inside Nest!This one reminds us about first human habitats beneath the earth's surface also,but for me is proof about language which rules&existence have lasted from the dawn of human civilization!Here we have more about Pagan origin of herself:
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/mary.htm



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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Jan-2012 at 09:20
INRI means:From the First Her,mother's connection!-in my language.
It says different here:
http://www.thenazareneway.com/inri_the_inscription_explained.htm
and here intrigue grows up:The gospel writers were not concerned with the exact wording, but were concerned with the exact meaning.
http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/inscription.htm




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