Was the cult of Great Mother exchanged with Jesus?

I came upon some Christian imagery that seems to be lifted directly from the Great Mother imagery:

This is the Tree of life, a very ancient archetype, from Gulgamesh to the Christian cross' indeed here the Tree f life becomes that gross; and what is Eve on the left becomes the Ekllesia, the holy church of the right. Now, Eve is nothing but a demonised Great Mother Goddess, her very name means "life". Anyway, she is wearing bunch of grapes in front of her genitals /grapes producing wine, the life-giving liquid in the Dionysian rituals, and the  blood of Christ in the Christian ritual/, so the symbolism is clear here - the female nature, mother nature, producing life.

The same symbol is seen here, embroidered on the attire of the Pope:

So, the Pope carries one of the symbols of the Mother Goddess on himself. I lifted the images from this site http://www.irishoriginsofcivilization.com/appendices/trees.html


Edited by Don Quixote - 30-Jan-2012 at 21:17

Originally posted by medenaywe Where did he find it?Inside the Bible?How did relevant statistic give us Bible?As for Noah and his animals collection i agree also:There had been at least two animals with different sexes but the rests were copy&paste compilation of elder texts with more or less known origins!(Except Noah had no extra powers of course!)

No, the Bible has nothing to do with that. They did a Bayesian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_inference_in_phylogeny  linguistic analyses on the Semitic languages, this is like a genetic analyses of a language, with statistic and math formulas. I generally trust this methods, it had been used with many languages, Asian etc. Take a look at the study.

Originally posted by medenaywe Than graphic you posted above.I agree about the rest 100%.

I see. What do you disagree with the graph on? I got it from the Nichols/Ryder study I referred under the graph.

Originally posted by medenaywe Don,your map above shows us only how Bible had divided Hebrew people and nothing else.Main problem is even,did they call themselves Hebrew before?Names of tribes could be names of their leaders and nothing more.But we talk about religion predecessor of all:Great Mother or Mother Earth?Religions that have come after reminds me about Buddhism in India and it's purpose:Accept your destiny people and cast you belong to cause we are masters on Earth's soil!Yes they have to approve someones rightness to power.

What map? I didn't post a map, but a graphic that shows at what time Hebrew separated from Akkadian, which time is the supposed time of the separation of this tribe/family/whatever from the Akkad. I don't think they called themselves "Hebrew" at this time, Abraham wasn't a Hebrew yet, he was just a guy from Ur that decided to look otherwise for place to put his hat, for whatever reason.

I suspect that the first religion of all is exactly the Mother Earth/Great Goddess, because what else was there, but life and death, what else mattered in say, the Paleolithic, when the fertility cult female figures started to appear in the Asia Minor and Europe. Later religions appeared when people were able to think with symbols, such thinking wasn't necessary for the Mother Earth veneration, since it was based on direct observation.

The later religions whoever was involved had to receive an approval by the god/s so hey can rule, perform in the god's name, or simply exist; the cult of Great Mother didn't require such, as nature is accepting, as a female is, it gives or take, but it doesn't demand for the devotee to be worthy of approval, it requires simply to exist. However, some cults required a king to make a Hiero Gamos with the Great Mother, in order to be able to rule.

The Thracians supposedly had that, the king was considered a son of the Mother Goddess and he was supposed to wed her too, this is a very loaded with meanings sacred incest/not-incest, because the king was a son to nature, and a lover in the same time; this is not controversial really, because in a strict sense everything had been born by nature, even the lover one has. Fraser wrote on that a lot, I have to get him from the library and quote more sacred rites like that.

In Christianity the need a king to be accepted by the Church is actually repetition of this ritual - as the Chruch, Eklesia, was seen in the Middle Ages as a female /and Christ being wedded to her/; so coronation of a king by a religious authority is in essence a Hiero Gamos with the Church, this putting the ruler in the sacred place and sacred time, and receiving a approval to rule.

Originally posted by Cryptic Originally posted by Don Quixote "...For I am the first and the last. I am the honored one and the scorned one. I am the whore and the holy one. I am the wife and the virgin. I am <the mother> and the daughter. Thanks for posting this.  The imagery is quite beautiful, sort  of a feminine Alpha and Omega or I Am Who Am

You are most welcome, I'm glad you like it. It is really reminiscent of the "Apha and Omega" etc, in fact I think that the latter stemmed from the former. The understanding of the great Goddess as the beginning and the end is far older that Judaism, it stared during the Paleolithic, with the simple observation that women give birth, hence all life came from the female beginning, hence nature was deified in female form; late the same understanding turned toward the male God, for social reasons, IMHO; but the imagery was retained and pasted on the male god.

I think that the Gnostics tapped in very ancient layers of contemplation and understanding, because they combined all kinds of old and new religious notions and philosophical ideas; that's why they retained such a respect for the feminine principle.

Originally posted by medenaywe As it turns out, the Virgin Mary is, like Jesus Christ, a mythical character, founded upon older goddesses. Following on the heels of goddesses such as Aphrodite, Astarte, Cybele, Demeter, Hathor, Inanna, Ishtar and Isis, Mary is "both virgin and mother, and, like many of them, she gives birth to a half-human, half-divine child, who dies and is reborn." http://www.truthbeknown.com/mary.html

Jesus may well has been a historical character, people like him roaming around and calling themselves messiahs were not anything new; in which case after is death he was deified along the lines of the dying-and-resurrected-god - Dumuzi/Osiris/Dyonusos/etc, and his mother deified along the lines of the Great mother Goddess and her aspects - the female deities you are naming here.

Statues of Great Mother were never part of ritual for true believers,even if some cults had derived from original and had created statues(that have insulted original!) as it looks today.Therefore there is "confusion" about:Whom did they pray to those days?In fact believers had not better object than Mother's himself.Rituals of pray have been preserved&practiced till the day i am posting this.
  Those words are known by all of us:
http://niv.scripturetext.com/exodus/20.htm
where did they come from?
You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing love to a thousand [generations] of those who love me and keep my commandments.





Edited by medenaywe - 16-Feb-2012 at 11:13

When do I have not logical response other people's opinion is not insulted!You can not post here number of
Israelites as you have had statistic data from those days.As for Statue,Cryptic and CV,it is still your home!
Whom did ancient Arab&Jew pray is more than obvious!
All other's arguments above pro&con are here cause of solid research and believe me You are wrong!But that do not mean you are "atheists" and "socialists"!Science needs people with open minds more than those that always have agreed with official opinion of Queen's swarm!.


Edited by medenaywe - 28-Jan-2012 at 10:12

As it turns out, the Virgin Mary is, like Jesus Christ, a mythical character, founded upon older goddesses. Following on the heels of goddesses such as Aphrodite, Astarte, Cybele, Demeter, Hathor, Inanna, Ishtar and Isis, Mary is "both virgin and mother, and, like many of them, she gives birth to a half-human, half-divine child, who dies and is reborn."
http://www.truthbeknown.com/mary.html

Originally posted by medenaywe I will forget:Both of them are whisperers of Mother,they whisper in Her ear!

I disagree, the Moslem prayer posture is probably more the position of aman before his king rather than earth centered.  Like wise, the Wailing Wall is a portion of a Temple built to honor a God associated with the sky, not the earth.

Edited by Cryptic - 27-Jan-2012 at 16:25