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Topic: Boer War Posted: 14-Mar-2012 at 02:27 |
Referring back to a previous post of yours, I've now discovered that the Boers did bring in conscription for the Second Boer War, on 2nd October, 1899, and declared war on 11th October.
Your last post doesn't make much sense. The Boers couldn't afford a standing army, so the commandoes were their militia, and were not used again (unless there were still some border conflicts? Not sure.) There was no need, after the Boer War the Boers (Botha and Smuts particularly) were groomed for self-government and they were apparently very impressed that it was awarded so quickly. From then on such a tight rein was kept on the blacks that the thought of the blacks abolishing any part of the Boer regime is laughable. To try and keep some sort of power Sol Plaatje, a writer/observer at the Siege of Mafeking, helped form the SA Native National Congress or the SANNC in 1912. When they kept losing ground the African National Congress, the ANC, was formed in 1923 with a military wing. They were banned in 1960 and their guerilla campaign dates from the following year. Perhaps they followed the Boers' example of how effective a guerilla campaign worked against their enemy.
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Posted: 14-Mar-2012 at 19:12 |
What i meant was the militia system in place after the Boer War. In rural areas the commandos continued as an auxiliary police force well into the 1990s
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Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 01:17 |
Then presumably the higher crime rate you referred to (when you mentioned that blacks banned the commandoes)refers to black independence in 1994. You should have been there. All of us whites had emptied the supermarkets stockpiling food for what we thought could be a bloodbath against us. Our family was the only one in Johannesburg not armed. Or so it seemed. Then on polling day we all stood in queues, all colours interminged legally for the first time - and it was like a blanket of peace had been thrown over South Africa. We stood and stood and there was no stamping or signs of victory, just acceptance. God bless Mandela I say. (I can't comment on anything else, it's beyond my knowedge.)
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Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 01:18 |
Sorry I didn't make it clear that we were in queues to vote.
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Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 19:31 |
My South African friends respected Mandela but are really pessimistic about the country's future. They say it's becoming corrupt and fear future discrimination against whites similar to what happened in Zimbabwe
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Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 22:52 |
Sorry Nick, I'm not going to speculate about the future of South Africa. If anyone's chatting about the Boer War again, pleae let me know.
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Posted: 16-Mar-2012 at 19:13 |
I understand Jaj. Want me to PM you when a Zulu or Boer War related topic comes up?
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Posted: 16-Mar-2012 at 22:26 |
Not the Zulu wars, but I'm interested in Zulu culture. This includes King Shaka's vision which incorporated an enormous population growth, ensuring their future dominance. And of course anything about the Boer War, except the technical aspects of weaponry.
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Posted: 17-Mar-2012 at 19:06 |
Something like this Jaj? A couple of months back we started a discussion on Shaka, but sadly i'm an amateur where African history is concernedhttp://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=30162
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Posted: 20-Mar-2012 at 18:34 |
Very interesting stuff, thanks for the revisit, Nick. Sadly I'm no authority on Zulu customs and culture to enlighten you. This is my thinking though. King Shaka's bloodthirsty tactics carved him a kingdom (every kingdom/empire carved from peaceable people is gruesome and bloodthirsty and is probably tied up with the theory of survival of the fittest. Power struggles of different dimensions have been going on since we dwelt in caves.) Where I think King Shaka's expansionism is different, is that he was, by design I think, not accident, an extremely fine strategist. If what I've read is correct, he decreed that only men were to be killed in his rampage, and the women were not to be left without the protection of men, but come under the patronage of his invading warriors. There may have been polygamy before Shaka's reign, but under this decree, where most men had umpteen wives, there was created a population explosion which may never have been exceeded before or since. The figures are staggering and the system set up a future majority that saw Zulus come to power.
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Posted: 29-Mar-2012 at 19:15 |
Here's something else i found that might interest you Jaj. My South African friends have a lot of respect for the Zulu and tell me they're not the type of people to mess with: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=8642
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Posted: 28-Apr-2012 at 19:03 |
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Posted: 18-Aug-2012 at 20:49 |
This Boer War forum might interest our South African friends Jaj and Bulldog http://www.angloboerwar.com/
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Posted: 18-Oct-2012 at 06:26 |
It's been ages since i've heard from Jaj and Bulldog. It would be great if they came back and started posting again
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