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    Posted: 01-Jan-2011 at 04:58
In "This is civilization" episode "Ye Gods",i have seen white statue.I heard that it is Godess of earth.
Need info about, where i can find more details about her and link for good photo.


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  Quote Athena Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jan-2011 at 09:31
http://art.docuwat.ch/videos/this-is-civilization/this-is-civilization-01-ye-gods/?channel_id=24&skip=0
 
The link is the show. 
 
Can you be more specific?  Greeks absorbed many gods and goddess. 
 
 
In general, before humans evolved bureaucracy, and then fancied there must be many gods to take things, there was the mother, the one and only god.  Well, this is of course depending on the environment.  Where life was easy because of pleasant weather and abundant food, it seemed obvious to primitive people around the world that the earth is our mother.  Where life was harsh, especially where snow storms and thunder storms kill, and people had to hunt animals for food.  Their attention was drawn to the sky because death came from the sky, and like men kill for food, god is male.  
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jan-2011 at 10:47
The "mother figure" doesn't have to be a human or Anthropomorphic figure either.  The Paleo culture that I am tracking in this part of NJ appears to have adopted the figure of a nesting duck or similar bird.  I have no way of confirming other than using your logic, the bird form goddess is most likely a symbol of abundance as well.
The Pagan belief system was likely out of the mother/nature system the paleos had.  The goddess figure was still prominent.  The Abrahamic religions were , afaik, the only system that has the "God is a Man" thing.
 
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jan-2011 at 11:33
This Godess was in white marble.On her body have all animals from nature,most of them,and in his hair are main gods like:Sun,Fire,Water etc...I am not quite sure which episode/serial it was.
But this is the main godess in funeral ceremony described in demotic text.So if I find the picture i can proof my translation like true one!!!
  Also need  tutankhamun(or any other)  inscription on his knees from golden sarcophagus!Priests all the time read them during ceremony.I mean translation on English from inscriptions.
  Will be grateful if you help me about those two subjects.




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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Feb-2012 at 00:49
The only one statue of a Mother-Goddess with animals on her AFAIK is Artemis of Ephesus
http://www.sacred-destinations.com/turkey/images/ephesus/museum/resized/great-artemis-c-andrys.jpg

http://www.theoi.com/image/S6.2Artemis.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/ArtemisEphesus.jpg/160px-ArtemisEphesus.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Artemis
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  Quote Sidney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Feb-2012 at 10:28
Don Quixote, you got it right. Artemis of Ephesus is the white goddess statue in the Discovery episode.

They show both statues (the darker one full length, the lighter one only the head).

Both statues are from the 1st Century AD, and in Ephesus Museum.

Medenaywe, for other statues of Artemis (reminds me of the Black Madonnas), and some details on the Artimision in Ephesus, see here: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/greece/paganism/artemis.html

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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Feb-2012 at 10:32
Thanks Sidney,i need description of Gods&Goddesses on Her body also!
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Feb-2012 at 18:47
Thank you, Sidney, for confirming it, I haven't seen the movie.
This version has lions of her upper arms, 2 lions per side. He hair/hairdess has 2 rams per side, above them something that looks like 2 crowned cows, and then something that looks like a goat.
http://www.livius.org/a/turkey/ephesus/ephesus_artemis_selcuk.JPG
I have a close picture of the statue in the book "Ephesus" by Selahattin Erdemgil /published 1989, by Net Turistic Yayinlar AS/ /I tried to scan it but I cannot transfer the image here/; anyway, I looked with a magnified glass of the part of the dress just below the neck, and I can make out, left to right, a female figure, then male and female facing each other both holding what looks like  small human figure hanging down.

This angle shows couple of more figures on the left side of the dress - a goat with a fish tail /which is the sign of the Capricorn/, and a male figure with one hand folded in the elbow and pointing up.
http://www.mesutyilmaz.org/files/ARTEMIS.JPG

I couldn't find info with description, but as far as I can see  on the upper part on her dress there is a figure of a scorpio, a Gemini /Castor and Polux/, a Centaur, a lion, and 2 fishes - this link says that this is the Zodiac http://www.livius.org/ei-er/ephesus/ephesus_artemis.html  but I'm kinda skeptic of it being the Zodiac, it seems to me that the symbols were used with something else in mind. This is the closest picture I could come up with. On this version there are 2 figures of a woman with wings, that looks like Nice, the goddess of victory.

http://www.livius.org/a/turkey/ephesus/artemis_ephesus_mus_tripoli4.JPG
On the upperest part of his dress, next to her neck, there are 4 figures that I see as Greek Godesses, but the picture is not close enough for me too look for details that would allow me to guess their possible identities.
http://www.livius.org/a/turkey/ephesus/artemis_ephesus_mus_tripoli1.JPG
The lower part of the dress /going down/,  has 3 lions, 3 lionesses, 3 goats, 2 some-animal-that -I-cannot-identify, 2 rams and 2 flowers, but this is only the front. I'm looking for pictures on the sides, but so far no luck.
http://www.livius.org/a/turkey/ephesus/artemis_ephesus_mus_tripoli3.JPG
On this picture of a late Roman copy the figures next to her heck look like Hera and Zeus to me
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/ArtemisEphesus.jpg
Anyway the cow and the cat were considered emblems of the Mother-Goddess; Artemis was called "Queen of Cats'. In all variations there is a wreath around her neck; in the white statue the wreath looks like made out of  berries; in the yellowish one I can see grapes and flowers. On the last picture on the hair-dress I see something that looks like cows with wings.

This is a version of the statue that fits the above picture - and on the sides of the dress, going down, there are lined a male figure with wings, a bee, a flower, bee, flower, bee; I'm not sure what the winged figures on the hair-dress  of the goddess are, their faces look like animal faces to me.
http://www.mmdtkw.org/RT04DiannaEphesusCandel.jpg
This version has on it's right side 5 figures that look human, the second from the top down looks like it has wings
http://www.timelessmyths.com/classical/gallery/artemisephesus.jpg



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Thanks Don Quixote. Great selection of pictures. Its a fascinating statue.

The winged animals around her head seem to be winged bulls, griffins, winged lions and winged goats/antelope, depending on the statue.

Shame we can't quite make out the figures around her neck.

The zodiac on her chest has no particulr order in the different statues, so I agree with you; it being the zodiac might not be the important point.

Also bulls, pumas, lions, goats/antelope, bees (or flies?), horses, winged people, flowers (I wonder which sort - they all have four petals). Each statue is different.

On your third image, the statue has what looks like bird's feet on her shoulder - looks like a rooster to me judging by the spurs. On the same statue the two winged figures at her armpits look like the goddess Nike, with the wreath and palm branch, both symbols of victory and, by implication, peace.

And a disc behind her head, a building of some sort ontop, a wreath of fruit round her neck, and those round things all over her torso.

So many symbolic oppurtunities. Seems to have a very Eastern flavour to it.The mind races away.

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Why was this in the "technical support" section? Surely it belongs in ancient history
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Feb-2012 at 21:52
Thanks, SidneySmile.
I suppose the disk behind her head is the Sun, otherwise she is constructed like a Tree of Life - with flowers around the base - plant life; on her body animals that live on the ground, and flying creatures in her hair-dress - this is the only way I can explain why the bulls and goats there are portrayed with wings.
The Mother-Goddess from Catal Huyuk was portrayed with 2 animals of her sides, just like Artemis was flanked with 2 animals I read were deer
http://www.westcler.org/gh/curlessmatt/arthistory/2a/seatgoddesscatalhuyuk.jpg
File:Statue of Artemis Ephesus.jpg

This is another representation of the Mother Goddess in Catal Huyuk, and here she is portrayed as multiple female figures with variety of animals in the flanks - some winged, some horned, including what looks like female winged figures pictured from their back - that goes well with Nike in Artemis of Ephesus.
http://www.rugreview.com/orr/or132ma6.jpg
My theory here is that the Mother Goddess Gobekli Tepe and Catal Huyuk became the archetypal Mother-Goddess in the area in variety of shapes and forms - Cybele, Artemis, etc. Artemis herself wasn't a mainland Greek deity - she was born on the island of Delos, according to the Greek myth, which may as well stand for acknowledging her Asia Minor genesis, because Delos was a holy sanctuary a millenium before the Greek Classical mythology cristalysed into the shape we know we know; Delos was inhabited since the 3000 BC, and was a part of the Cycladic cvilization, /with a population probably mixed with Asia Minor one/, since is was Ionian. A temple of Dionysus was there since like 900 BC, Dionysus being one of the most ancient pre-Greek/Greek deities. This explains the heavy Eastern influence in imagery and symbolism - Artemis of Ephesus was born in the border of what we consider East - even though such a divide East-Wast didn't exist in the time we are talking about.

I explain the lions and lionesses with the cat being one of Artemis symbolic animals, she being called "Queen of Cats"; otherwise I don't know is lions really roamed Asia Minor in the time period the statue was made. The bulls and cows were around in the area from Catal Huyuk, even earlier, from Gobelkli Tepe, 10,000 BC. Goats were considered epitome of fertility, and the Greek Satirs had goat legs, Pan was a half goat, and goats were sacrificed both to Dionysus and Demeter, all with meaning of fertility. Deer was Artemis's animal too - she turned into deer in an occasion /now I forgot exactly why/, and the deer was held sacred to her, and she was frequently potrayed with one in the Greek tradition
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  Quote medenaywe Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Feb-2012 at 01:29
There is Water God one of Gods&Goddess!I suppose God of Fire is there,cause in text relation among pharaoh and his kids is compared as to Goddess above(from the first line?),Water God Vo and close one to him.We still use comparative:They are like Fire and Water!I believe it is Fire next to Water God!SmileIn the beginning it was essential to me i am on right way,now i know that!
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Yes, there is a male figure with a big pot on his shoulder - he is located just next to the goat with fish tail on the second picture of my long post - I saw him clearly with magnifying glass on the picture I have in the book. He is a water God and also the sign of the celestial sign of Aquarius; "aqua" - water. After the Scorpio there are 2 human figures - the fist one is male, with something in his hand that looks like a triangle without one of it's sides, and the other one is a female with a spear - portrayed just like Hera.

Near the man-with-the-pot there are two lions on the left hand of Artemis - and Leo is considered fire sign in the zodiac - maybe there is something behind putting those lions next to the water-guy.
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SmileLet us go further than!We need a good picture from that here and Origins will see sentence about it!Thumbs Up 
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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Feb-2012 at 02:24
Originally posted by medenaywe

In "This is civilization" episode "Ye Gods",i have seen white statue.I heard that it is Godess of earth.
Need info about, where i can find more details about her and link for good photo.


Meaning of Goddess of Earth is't clear, it can be Hera, Cybele, or Artemis of Ephesos

Originally posted by Don Quixote


I don't know is lions really roamed Asia Minor in the time period the statue was made.


The last recorded lion in Anatolia was shot in Birecik (Border city near Syria), in 1880 so asiatic lions could be living in that period


Edited by Ollios - 13-Feb-2012 at 02:25
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Apr-2012 at 13:39
This is a modern variation of the statue, but I suppose they copied the figures right
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3474/3750396309_26fcf9b529.jpg


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