The term "Turk" is not an ethnic term

I don't understand when people talk about a Turk ethnic identity. There never was a Turk ethnic identity in history until the Christians started to call all Muslims as Turks.

There were always many different ethnics inside the Turkic identity. It wasn't also related to race as anyone that was connected to the Turkic bod was considered as the same race. It was about belonging to the land.

It is recorded on many inscriptions. But Kushan Empire is regarded as a Turkic Empire as well because of three great Turk kings. The term Turk is more related to some kind of "humanity".

Yezidi Kurds who fled to the Russian Empire called the Turks (and the Ottoman Empire) 'Rome Resh' = 'Black Romans'. Referred to the Roman Empire occupiers of Kurdistan before them. Maybe because they were much more brutal than the Romans.

Edited by MediaWarLord - 20-Dec-2010 at 21:58

Considering the origin of the word "Turk" has anyone ever considered the "Turk" numbering system? It can be seen here;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Turkic_language

Interestingly, since the "Turks" supposedly ruled Egypt for a few hundred years, the word for "Ten / 10" is the amazingly short word in "Turkish" written or expressed in English as "On!"

"ON!", just happens to be one of the most reverred places in Egypt!

But, again somewhat strangely, it seems it was the 15th Nome! Please see; http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/260062/Heliopolis#

Heliopolis, (Greek), Egyptian Iunu or Onu (“Pillar City”), biblical On, one of the most ancient Egyptian cities and the seat of worship of the sun god, Re. It was the capital of the 15th nome of Lower Egypt, but Heliopolis was important as a religious rather than a political centre. During the New Kingdom (c. 1539–1075 bce) its great temple of Re was second in size only to that of Amon at Thebes, and its priesthood wielded great influence, particularly during the 5th dynasty (c. 2465–c. 2325 bce), when the worship of Re became the state cult.

Little remains today of this great ancient Egyptian city. The sole surviving monument is the obelisk of Sesostris I, the oldest obelisk in existence. Of the pair of obelisks erected by Thutmose III in Heliopolis, now known as Cleopatra’s Needles, one stands on the Thames embankment in London and the other in Central Park, in New York City."

Did the numbering system of the "nomes" ever change?

One might well want to consider this map of the nomes of lower Egypt that can be found at Wikipedia;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lower_Egypt_Nomes_01.png

You will quickly notice that the 10th Nome was located across the Nile from Heliopolis! If you persue this line then you might also notice that the numbering of the "Nomes" seems to began again South of Cairo!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Upper_Egypt_Nomes.png

If one actually reads this site; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nome_(Egypt) Then you might also notice that it appears the "Nomes" were numbered in two differing directions, that is from South to North and North to South beginning at Cairo/Heliopolis! Thus "1", or maybe "10", thus Heliopolis/ON/Cairo could well be either!

You might well want to read this site also?

http://www.coinsofromanegypt.org/html/library/petrie/petrie_nomes.htm

Actually, the more you look, the more confused you will become!

Or at least I did! If any of you are "expert" Egyptologists, then perhaps you can explain it all to us? Or at least point us to a site that does so?

If you look up "Heliopolis", you might well be met with these choices?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliopolis

Boy oh boy, we are certainly now met with numerous sources!!!

"Heliopolis, meaning "sun city" in Ancient Greek, can refer to

Heliopolis (ancient), the ancient city in Egypt
Heliopolis (Cairo suburb), a suburb in modern Cairo, Egypt
Heliopolis style, the architectural style of the modern Heliopolis Cairo suburb
Heliopolis of Phoenicia, modern Baalbek, Lebanon
Ilioupoli or Ilioupolis, meaning "Heliopolis" in Modern Greek, a southeastern suburb of Athens, Greece
Heliópolis, the largest favela of São Paulo City, Brazil
Héliopolis, Algeria, a town and commune in Guelma Province, Algeria
Héliopolis, a town in France situated on the Île du Levant
Heliopolis (Cosmic Era), a fictitious territory/colony in the science fiction anime series Gundam Seed
Heliopolis (Marvel Comics), a fictitious location in Marvel Comics
Heliopolis (Stargate), a fictitious planet in the sci-fi television series Stargate SG-1 (see The Torment of Tantalus)
Heliopolis (novel), a dystopian novel by Ernst Jünger
Heliopolis (2009 novel), a fiction novel by James Scudamore set in contemporary São Paulo, Brazil
Heliopolis (album), a psychedelic trance album released by Swedish artist Filteria
"Heliopolis", a song off the Morning Dance album by Spyro Gyra
"Heliopolis", a song off the Reign of Light album by Samael
"Heliopolis", a song off the Maya album by Banco de Gaia
"Heliopolis by Night", a song off the Young Forever album by Scottish indy band Aberfeldy"

So, do we take the word of some or most all of the historians of the past a pick out a place now within Cairo, Egypt, or can we consider other places?

Perhaps another place, that now exists within Cairo, is a place called Babylon! Have any of you any information concerning this "Babylon?"


Any answers?



Edited by opuslola - 24-Dec-2010 at 19:36

Originally posted by ancalimon I'm a bit confused about what you are telling us. ON is number 10 in Turkish. In old Turkic, ON means person, personality, individual of universe,  and also sometimes "high" For example: In Turkish ARI means clean, noble, without sins. In old Turkic, ARYAN (aryg-on) means clean, noble person. When used in the right context, ON means ruler (for example ten feathers, ten rays of the sun) ProtoTurks called themselves ON and OQ.

I do not agree. we fought in the past with Aryan people (sassani, persian etc etc, alper tunga saga, etc etc). It is not possible for them to call that people noble or clean.

they do exist. they are everywhere. black haired, brown eyed, white skinned people if so to "simplfy".

armenians, iranians, some eorupians, tajiks, azeris (some parts), kurds are all the members of that family.

some examples: the iranian people look like kurds, kurds look like armenians, so on....

I have no idea where the heck some of the really random answers in this thread are coming from.

Salam to everybody. The term Turk is an ethnic term. It is an ethnonym of people, who living Azerbaijan, Iran and Turkiye. 

Salaam TooRock. Welcome to Allempires