Unemployment among Americans goes up, again!

It looks like we are in serious trouble as the government funded jobs are coming to an end.  The economy still is not doing well enough to support jobs without government funding jobs.   This is not a surprise to me.  Greenspan warned many years ago that we were do for a long and deep recession.   It is stupid to blame Obama for something that is out of anyone's control.   It took many years to come to this economic crisis and it will take many years to recover. 

It is like this- decisions made for decades that put us in the state of economic nose bleed.  We all know if you put pressure on a nose bleed, it will stop bleeding, so  decisions were made to put pressure on the economic nose bleed.  That pressure is coming off but we are not past the condition of a nose bleed.  Surely you have experienced something like this with a real life bleeding problem.  When the pressure is relieved and bleeding continues, you put the pressure back on, and this is repeated until the bleeding stops.  Yes, there is a cost to this pressure, it a surgery room it might be many sponges and a lot of a nurse's and doctor's efforts, but there is a greater cost to not stopping the bleeding.   It is ignorant to not realize the cost of doing nothing, and to blame the people doing what they can be done.  

When such ignorant people are high profile people, spreading ignorance and hysteria, we should shun them, and spread awareness of their ignorance so others do not listen to them.    If they are ignorant, they will attack people and say things like, "if you follow me God will take care of us".  If they are informed, they speak of cause of effect and leave supernatural beings out of the discussion.  Only when they speak of cause and effect is intellect discussion possible. 


Edited by Carol - 04-Sep-2010 at 12:18

The High School group which calls itself TGS, wrote;

"Well, this is what happens when Republicans are in power for 8 years."

Aaaagh! Well choke me with a maggot!

General Motors sales are down 25%! Blame it on Bush! No one is hiring; Blame it on Bush! Some areas of the Earth are flooded; blame it on Bush! Some areas of this planet are dry!; Blame it on Bush!

The Sky is falling; Blame it on Bush!"

Blue, as a color, is still Blue! Blame it on Bush!

The Sun is still shining! Blame it on Bush!

Some people do not floss! Blame it on Bush!

Just what in this world does not Obama and you not blame on Bush?

Give me a quick list? Hurry! Hurry!

Deep thinking is not really a part of your groups attributes, is it?

Edited by opuslola - 04-Sep-2010 at 17:03

Originally posted by opuslola The High School group which calls itself TGS, wrote; "Well, this is what happens when Republicans are in power for 8 years." Aaaagh! Well choke me with a maggot! General Motors sales are down 25%! Blame it on Bush! No one is hiring; Blame it on Bush! Some areas of the Earth are flooded; blame it on Bush! Some areas of this planet are dry!; Blame it on Bush! The Sky is falling; Blame it on Bush!" Blue, as a color, is still Blue! Blame it on Bush! The Sun is still shining! Blame it on Bush! Some people do not floss! Blame it on Bush! Just what in this world does not Obama and you not blame on Bush? Give me a quick list? Hurry! Hurry! Deep thinking is not really a part of your groups attributes, is it?

Speaking of deep thinking, where is your reply to my post?  Or are you going to stop at attacking someone?  Where are your own deep thoughts? 

Who about, how things might have been different if we believed Carter when said he needed to conserve and we re-elected him instead of Reagan?  What if we avoided all the military spending since the Reagan years?  What if we stayed with small, more gas efficient vehicles and the rapid development of alternative energy?  Might we be in a difference place today? 

Deregulation of the airlines and banks, etc. has done terrible things.  Imagine what a city with no building codes and no housing regulation would look like  Slum landlords would surely profit from that. 

Someone has to look at things from a different point of view than the point of view someone wanting to earn a buck, because this person will see things differently.  There must be a regulator's point of view.   Also someone needs the necessary information.  For example starting in the 1960's we had research on the causes of poverty.  We got some really good social programs out of the 1960's that I am very much enjoying now that never would have happened during the  Reagan administration, because he flipped our war on poverty to a war on those living in poverty.

When Reagan took office, research on poverty is completely changed to research on welfare fraud.  This complete change in research makes it invalid because it is so obviously research done for a purpose, and that purpose was so obviously scapegoating the poor for our economic troubles.  Not until Clinton did we start talking about the bad management causing us economic problems.   Reagan made a case of welfare fraud, and this gets generalized to the those lazy no good people living on welfare.  Forget that they live in an inner city slum, that is the result of rural people flooding into the cities to get good industrial jobs and the industry has moved out leaving an economic ghetto.   Reagan proved there was welfare fraud and this justified slashing domestic budgets and pouring money into military spending.  But still there wasn't enough money for the military spending he wanted, so he took money from Social Security and still there wasn't enough money, so he deregulated banks.  This is so like Germany!  Anyone remember how the Germans took the same steps when preparing Germany for war? 

I don't know how to explain this, but our great wealth since the Reagan administration has been a growing false wealth.  The only ones to really benefit are those directly connected with the Military Industrial Complex such as Cheney and Halburton.  I assume investing in the military industry is still a good bet.  Housing may go down, but as long as we are engaged in war, military spending is not going down.   Even when we have far more atomic bombs than needed, we can always stock pile these weapons.  Understand, we no longer send a military force  prepared to meet its own needs, and possibly the needs to the "liberated" people.  These needs are supplied by an industry that is paid well to supply the needs, and the book keeping challenge is so great, millions of dollars can disappear here and there.   Does the company that looses millions of dollars get replaced?  No, these guys are the "experts" and therefore, the best government choice for the contract.  These guys are so good, one of them can be our vice president telling our president what to do. 

Yipes the wrongs are so great, I get off subject- why deregulating banks, while at the same time making it almost impossible to declare bankrupcy?   Or how about this, when the housing market fails, promote student loans and tie them to so much pain, the poor young person who takes one out, sharply increasing interest rates, increased car insurance rates is a good thing when a payment is late, and no chance in hell of buying a home until the debt is cleared.   Our high tech military does not require us to recruit most our young men, and man industry with the women, and sacrifice like we had to sacrifice in past wars, but it does require a lot of money.   Forget the regulations Joe, and too hell with the average citizen,  false wealth is good for military spending, and that is how to have power.   This government is not about protecting citizens, it is about the Military Industrial Complex, the New World Order the Bush family loved so much.  History has something to teach us, but how many US citizens study the history of Germany? 

How many of us understand fascism as an economic organization? 




Edited by Carol - 05-Sep-2010 at 13:37

Originally posted by opuslola The High School group which calls itself TGS, wrote; "Well, this is what happens when Republicans are in power for 8 years." Aaaagh! Well choke me with a maggot! General Motors sales are down 25%! Blame it on Bush! No one is hiring; Blame it on Bush! Some areas of the Earth are flooded; blame it on Bush! Some areas of this planet are dry!; Blame it on Bush! The Sky is falling; Blame it on Bush!" Blue, as a color, is still Blue! Blame it on Bush! The Sun is still shining! Blame it on Bush! Some people do not floss! Blame it on Bush! Just what in this world does not Obama and you not blame on Bush? Give me a quick list? Hurry! Hurry! Deep thinking is not really a part of your groups attributes, is it?

OK Tomatoe Master!

The Democrats have not had less than 200 members in the HoR,since 1949!

But in the last two congresses this is the number;

110th 2007–2009 100 D49 R49 I2 — 435 D233 R198 — I4
111th 2009–2011 100 D57 R41 I2 2 435 D256 R178 — I1

So, from the beginning of the 110th Congress until the beginning of the 11th, the Democrats had full control of the HoR, as well as control of the Senate, because the two independents, mostly voted Democrat!

So, just why did this congress create all of the Job Losses during the period of 2007-2010? The job losses can be placed directly upon the Congress and not the "Lame Duck" president!

If TGS and other like minded persons can place the loss of over 7million jobs on Bush, why cannot I place the blame on the Congress?

HUH?

All they did not have was the presidency, and he was a "Lame Duck!"

My source was; http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0774721.html#axzz0yxpp8MoJ


Edited by opuslola - 08-Sep-2010 at 14:29

"So far, the only credible analysis has said the crowd was around 87,000."

You have actually seen the photographs and contend that 87,000 is correct? Maybe you need to get your eyes checked?

Ok, I'll revise and determine, by my great eyes that the crowd was in excess of 275,000!

You do know that I have lived there?


I just like to be nice!

Edited by opuslola - 08-Sep-2010 at 20:28

Originally posted by opuslola "So far, the only credible analysis has said the crowd was around 87,000." You have actually seen the photographs and contend that 87,000 is correct? Maybe you need to get your eyes checked? Ok, I'll revise and determine, by my great eyes that the crowd was in excess of 275,000! You do know that I have lived there? I just like to be nice!

Yea because you're an expert right? Where are Becks sources for his claims? He DOESNT have any. The only professionals who counted estimated the crowd to be at around 87,000. Get over it.

Originally posted by Carol I don't think the writer of the link, answered his question very well, but he got close.

That was simply a brief analysis, it wasnt meant to be a detailed explanation of anything. The economist was simply trying to show that only 41,000 jobs have been lost under Obama, and 7,000,000+ under Republicans.

Originally posted by Carol   We went wild with credit and created a false economy, making everyone indentured slaves to the banks.  Long ago Greenspan warned this would lead to a long period of high unemployment.    I think Reagan began this insanity by deregulating banks and promoting a fantasy of wealth.

I completely agree. Reagan not only deregulated, but he lowered taxes while at the same time increasing spending to ridiculous amounts. He was probably one of the worst presidents.

Originally posted by Carol http://www.economicpopulist.org/content/why-economic-growth-united-states-cannot-happen

Good article.

Here are some statistics:

-over 40% of American families spend more than they make.
-the average American family with one credit card has over $10,000 in credit card debt.

I could go on and on...

The problem is deregulation and people being allowed to borrow too much money which they cant pay back, which is what caused this Great Recession in the first place.

Thanks Bush, Thanks Reagan, Thanks GOP....


 


Edited by TheGreatSimba - 09-Sep-2010 at 11:00

Unfortunately, their cash no longer has value.  Our coins had value because of the amount of gold, silver, nickle, copper they contained.  Our dollar had value because it was backed by gold, and then by gold and silver, but now is fiat money backed by our Gross National Product.  As our Gross National Product decreases, effectively so does the value of the dollar.  And all the silver, nickle and copper has been removed from coins, so they have no value at all.  In fact if you bury pennies in your back yard and dig them up next Spring, you will notice they are eroded so badly, some will have holes and you won't be able to tell what others are, except for the fact you know you put pennies in the ground.

Celebrating our new state coins, makes us look like idiots!  It is like a young man giving his girl friend a fake diamond ring and she believing it is real.   We have been robbed and don't know it, because we are distracted by the design of new valueless coins. 

What is the difference between counterfeit money and charging interest?  We know counterfeit money can be devastating to the economy so every effort is made to prevent it from circulating.  But how is loaning out $25 and claiming to have $30 because of interest added to the value of the $25 any different?  We have said this decrease in the value of our money is a growing economy.  Do you feel the hook in mouth yet?  Every year people with salaries and on Social Security get a raise, because some how our economy grows. In fact this growth is a decrease in the value of money.  What is growing is imaginary money- that is claiming  interest rates added to loans means you have  more money to loan out.  So effectively the value of the dollar goes down and the price of the house and car, etc. go up.  We have hit a damn wall okay?  The prices went too high, the cash cow has bloat from eating too much, and is lying on the ground.  It is not sure if we can save the cow?  This sure as blazes is not Obama's fault. 

 In 1915 a family of 6 could live well on $768 to $900 a year.  It cost more to live in cities,  and in different regions of the country, so the figures depend where the family lives.  If someone earned $5 a day he would be rich!  If this were true today, our laborers could easily compete for jobs.   But now we need that yearly income every week, to do as well.   Are we any better off having to earn $900 a week than when we could live a whole year on $900? 

If people took the rich state poor state thread seriously they have something to gain in the form of knowledge. 




Edited by Carol - 09-Sep-2010 at 13:00

Well duh, I was a business owner, and I was overwhelmed just trying to keep the business going.  We should not expect business people to consider anything else but the business decisions they must make for the health of the business.  I love the new reality show where they have upper management doing the labor jobs, and these dudes know nothing about the real work.  In the past, someone started a business by doing the actual work.  Maybe he got enough business to hire some help, but he kept doing the labor part.   Now managing the business and doing the work are two separate things.  With autocratic industry these two sides never meet, and one does not move from one side to the other.  With democratic management, everyone is trained to move up, and there is a lot of working together. 

I believe the democratic model would improve our country in many ways.  Autocratic industry lead to autocratic families and we call these dysfunctional today. The democratic model would greatly improve our family lives.  There are also great economic benefits, and I think less likelihood of management corruption like Enron.  

Yipes, I have said two completely separate things.  But the bonding factor of both thoughts is people working together as opposed to the autocratic order and division, makes a difference.  When management and labor are separate, management doesn't know the laborer and the families of laborers.  All those human factors that we inherited from other social animals, do not come into play, so there is a moral break down.  But when management and labor are working together, getting to know each other and each others family, than all those factors that make us moral kick in. 

Wow, now I am thinking of Milton S. Hersey the maker of the Hersey chocolate bar.  He made a fortune when his candy bars were used to supply the army.  He also used his fortune to build a town and an orphanage with good schools.  He made life good to many, many people.  Today's extremely rich are also giving millions of dollars to good causes. 

Oh jeese, I need a lobotomy.  Our situation is more complex than the problem is greedy people.  I don't think it is that simple, but has a lot to do with if we are autocratic or democratic.  Do we believe "we" are separate from "them", and that there are basic differences between the overseers and the overseen and that justify great differences in income?  Or can we afford to build low income apartments with nice sized rooms, or should we keep the apartments small and cheap?   Any low income housing considers the needs of the poor, but the other half of the consideration is how much do we have to spend and how much can we expect to get back? Can we mentally manage more than operating a business or managing money and property?  Is there a role for government in all this?    How about assuring neighborhoods are a mix of low and high income people, and have places for social interaction.    How about zoning and building codes?  How about education?  What is the purpose of education?  What will the students be prepared to think about?   I had a college professor who told the class their highest priority should be their career goals, not the people they will serve when then they get their bureaucratic job.   What are schools teaching?  It is not want was being taught before 1958.  

How about this, we once prepared everyone for industrial and civic leadership, but since 1958 we have been preparing products for industry.    We have reduced our mass to  the mentality of a third world country dependent on someone else to provide them industry, then we sent their jobs over seas.  How smart is that?     


Edited by Carol - 09-Sep-2010 at 16:48