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    Posted: 07-Jun-2010 at 01:53
Soddy Haven't you been banned yet--Nothing you say is ever right. So I just dismiss you out of hand.
 
What about the Christians in the Middle east just 30 years ago they made up 20% of the middle east now just 5%
 

The document said relations between Christians and Muslims were often difficult “principally because Muslims make no distinction between religion and politics, thereby relegating Christians to the precarious position of being considered noncitizens, despite the fact that they were citizens of their countries long before the rise of Islam.http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/07/world/europe/07pope.html?ref=global-home

So if we follow the same logic that returns parts of Israel to the Palistinians, I want to see Christian lands returned also.
 
Oh by the way here are the latest updates:

2010.06.05 (Basilan, Philippines) - Abu Sayyaf members kidnap and murder three villagers.
2010.06.05 (Kandahar, Afghanistan) - Muslim terrorists set off a bicycle bomb, killing a bystander.
2010.06.05 (Marib, Yemen) - An al-Qaeda ambush leaves three locals dead.
2010.06.04 (Malgobek, Ingushetia) - An attack on a shop by Islamic militants leaves one person dead.
2010.06.04 (Sagapshi, Ingushetia) - A grocery store clerk is gunned down by Islamists who plant a bomb that then kills a rescue worker.
2010.06.04 (Datta Khel, Pakistan) - An elderly man is beheaded by Religion of Peace zealots.
Date Country City Killed Injured Description
2010.06.05 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 15 Muslim terrorists set off a bicycle bomb, killing a bystander.
2010.06.05 Philippines Basilan 3 0 Abu Sayyaf members kidnap and murder three villagers.
2010.06.05 Yemen Marib 3 0 An al-Qaeda ambush leaves three locals dead.
2010.06.04 Iraq Mosul 2 4 Terrorsts murder two civilians with a roadside bomb.
2010.06.04 Dagestan Makhachkala 1 1 Muslim radicals shoot a rival imam to death in front of his mosque.
2010.06.04 Iraq Missan 2 2 Two Iraqis are killed when Muslim radicals rocket an airport.
2010.06.04 Pakistan Miranshah 1 0 A civilian is captured by the Taliban and shot to death.
2010.06.04 Pakistan Datta Khel 1 0 An elderly man is beheaded by Religion of Peace zealots.
2010.06.04 Ingushetia Sagapshi 2 21 A grocery store clerk is gunned down by Islamists who plant a bomb that then kills a rescue worker.
2010.06.04 Ingushetia Malgobek 1 16 An attack on a shop by Islamic militants leaves one person dead.
2010.06.03 Turkey Iskenderun 1 0 A Catholic bishop is stabbed to death by a Muslim who says it was Allah's will.
2010.06.03 Pakistan Quetta 2 0 A man murders his sister and her lover for having 'illicit relations'.
2010.06.03 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A Buddhist schoolteacher is gunned down by Religion of Peace proponents.
2010.06.03 Iraq Abu Ghraib 8 0 Eight victims of a Shiite death squad are found in a mass grave.
2010.06.03 Iraq Sinjar 4 14 Four people are killed when Islamic fundamentalist bombers target and liquor stores.
2010.06.02 Iraq Mosul 1 0 Islamic militants kidnap a local soldier and slit his throat.
2010.06.02 Iraq Abu Ghraib 1 3 A Jihad bomb blast leaves one Iraqi dead.
2010.06.02 Afghanistan Nawzad 4 0 Two young boys are among four civilians taken out by Islamist roadside bomb.
2010.06.02 Afghanistan Marjah 4 0 Four civilians are killed in their home during a Taliban ambush on a security patrol.
2010.06.01 Pakistan Karachi 1 0 A Shia is brutally shot to death in a sectarian attack.
2010.06.01 Pakistan Mohmand 3 0 Three civilians are gunned down by Taliban militants.
2010.06.01 Iraq Mosul 3 1 Mujahid successfully kill three Iraqis with an incendiary bomb.
2010.06.01 Pakistan Muslimabad 2 0 A woman and her new husband are murdered by her former in-laws in an honor killing.
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Originally posted by Shield-of-Dardania

 
Guys, today is the era of services and ICT. A country does not need to be a manufacturing heavyweight to advance and grow rich. It's the skills in organisation, management, logistics etc. that are more important to propel the country forward. In relation to these, Turkey's Ottoman experience as an imperial power will be an immense asset, if it's channeled and exploited in the right way.
 
Of course, manufacturing prowess helps, but it's no more the end-all-and-be-all of economic development. BTW, Turkey is also no mean player in the building and construction sector. Its construction firms have won and completed serious-scale construction jobs throughout Europe.
 
Geee, Turkey is the great player in construction sector! I personally refuse to live in building construct from Turkish company, because it`s life hazard. They too much like to economize materials like reinforcing bars and use one of the lowest quality cement in the world. For reference remember Izmit earthquake 1999:
 
 
Golcuk's mosque remains intact, while surrounding residential
buildings have all been rased to the ground
 

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Shield of Dardania, I wish you to buy an apartament in Turkey and feel an experience of earthquake in the 4th grade Big smile It`ll be cruelly...


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  Quote Shield-of-Dardania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Jun-2010 at 19:01
Why not? If my Dardania Darling is with me. When the earth shakes around us, we'd be having our own magnificent quake in our penthouse.Approve
 
See this beautiful piece of construction.
Oooooo. I bet you can't construct something like this in Bulgaria, even if you take a hundred years. Now then ...


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  Quote Kanas_Krumesis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Jun-2010 at 02:57
I`m interested why young East-Asian islamist like you (you proved it in almost all your previous posts in this forum) worship modern Turkish state so much? Because Turkey is direct successor of long dead Ottoman empire and Ottoman Sultan was the last Caliph of all Sunni muslims? You talking about Turkish imperialist future, but you forget about grim reality which is quite different from your wishes my friend. Turkey is absolute nothing without European and western support and even now Turkey is far low from their standard. It`s very hard to reach it. Mustafa Kemal Ataturk created modern Turkey as western copy and put Turkey on western way. Turkey don`t have enough resources to be an empire anymore in this world order. Every turn back will destroy it. Crazy leaders like Erdogan can`t do anything and they will obviously end worse. Turkey have some success today not because follow Taliban lifestyle, and you can use computer and mouse not on account of any Taliban аchievements. I`m not right?

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  Quote ranjithvnambiar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Jul-2010 at 02:04
Its Jews I think.. 
Its "Fight or Perish" conditionfor Jews 
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  Quote ranjithvnambiar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Jul-2010 at 02:26
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba

So your only criteria for the Jews being the most oppressed people is that they managed to preserve their religion?

Then what about Zoroastrians? Havent they preserved their religion against all odds?

The fact of the matter is that there is no single most oppressed people, Jews have just been very successful in marketing their suffering for political purposes. Other than that, all ethnicities have been oppressed throughout the course of history, some have been completely wiped out!

I'd say that the most oppressed are the ones that didnt even make it to present times.
 
What is the ratio of Persian Zoroastrians to Persian Muslims? The fact is that the majority of Persian Zoroastrians didn't preserve their religion and just a small number of them who lived in some isolated lands, like in the deserts around Yazd, could do it.
It is said Shah Ismail gathered a large number of Sunni clerics in Tabriz and ordered them to insult Abu Bakr, Umar and other Sunni holy figures in public, one of them abstained and was immediately beheaded, and then all other ones did what the king had ordered. For this simple reason, the majority of Iranians became Shia Muslims.
But we know several times in the history, Jews were killed, exiled, or taken as slaves and the majority of them never changed their values, for example we know after the famous battle of the trench (Khandaq), the Prophet said this people never change their relgion, so he ordered to behead all the men of Banu Qurayza Jewish tribe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_the_Banu_Qurayza

They Preserved their Religion in Hindu India.There are More Zoroastrians(Parsis) in India than anywhere else in the world.

According to Parsi lore they spent nineteen years on the island of Diu, after which they set sail again and landed in Sanjan also on the west coast of India, either in the year 936AD or in 716AD

Permission to settle was granted by Jadhav Rana, The Hindu ruler. These newly arrived strangers were called Parsis - to denote the region from where they had come - Pars, (Persia), once the birthplace of mighty empires, now the distant dream of a band of refugees.

Hindu India was kind to the refugees from Pars. They suffered no persecution, no Parsis-atash_behram-udwada.jpg (10844 bytes)fear.They were allowed to prosper and grow. They built the first fire temple in AD 721, installed with due ceremony the holy fire which they called the Iranshah, the King of Iran; lived largely peaceful, obscure existences in various villages and towns of Gujarat as farmers, weavers and carpenters.  

For about three hundred years after landing at Sanjan, Parsis are said to have lived in peace and without molestation. By that time their numbers had greatly increased. Many moved from Sanjan to other parts of India with their families: to Cambay, Navsari, Anklesvar, Variav, Vankaner and Surat in the north, and to Thane and Chaul in the south. Pockets of Parsis were also found in Upper India, mentioned by early travellers: in Sind, Dehra-Dun and Punjab.

Whenever they left Sanjan to settle elsewhere, they carried a part of the Iranshah with them-the first fire they had consecrated on Indian soil. But not all climes were as hospitable as Sanjan. In Sind, Ibrahim the Ghaznavid perceived the Parsis as a colony of fire-worshippers and attacked them. In Thana, which was ruled by the Portuguese, they were seen as idolaters and put upon by missionaries to convert to Christianity.

However, Islam did follow them even to India. In 1465 Sanjan was sacked and destroyed by the Muslim Sultanate. Parsis fought valiantly, side by side with their Hindu benefactors. Many lost their lives, but the priests managed to rescue the sacred fire and carried it safely to a cave on a hill, where, protected by jungle and sea, they guarded it for the next twelve years.

Though they didn't completely lose touch with the Persian language, Gujarati (their version of it), started to become their mother tongue. They adopted many Hindu customs. Parsi women dressed like their Indian counterparts. They even wore nose rings.

Parsis are a people who uprooted themselves and moved to a different world to save 

their religion. Parsis migrated to India one thousand years ago. The Parsi experience is 

about dilemmas that most minority communities face; questions about religion and 

race, survival and extinction, assimilation and identity, tradition and the modern 

world. There are only 100,000 Parsis in the world today, mostly in India, particularly 

in Bombay. Demographically, they are a dying community-our deaths outweigh our 

births. Parsis like to quote a remark that Mahatma Gandhi once reportedly made, "In 

numbers Parsis are beneath contempt, but in contribution, beyond compare." Out of 

an Indian population of more than one billion, Parsis number a mere 76,000. 

Tatas theBiggest business conglomerate of India is chaired by parsis.Godrej  & Wadia Group two other business houses of India are also owned by parsis.

Hanging Gardens and temple of silence of Bombay are famous.Temple of Silence is a Parsi Fire temple.

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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-May-2014 at 11:07
I don't know something about Baluchis. What is their issue?

Do they fight for independence? and in where Iran or Pakistan (or in both countries)

Pakistan is a country like a countries in new world, isn't it? There is no dominant nation, so what is the problem?
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