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    Posted: 12-May-2014 at 13:11
Dear Homayoun,

Please do not act with your feelings, if you do so you may drool. As most of Persians drool regarding Lurs and Bakhtiars. Here some Kurmanji Kurdish and Persian loanwords for comparison. Then you give me a logical answer why is that:

KURDISH  PERSIAN    ENGLISH

Bab                 Padar                 Father
De, Mak          Madar                  Mother
Bra                 Bradar                 Brother
Sister              Xweh                  Khwahar
Dot, Keç         Dokhtar                 Daugther
Dotmam        Dokhtar Amoo     Uncle daughter
Kurt, Kin        Kutah                  Short
Qic, Hur         Kuchak               Small
Kur                Pesar                  Son
Mer                Mard                   Man
Dlop             Raha Kardan         Drop
Hek              Tokhm  margh       Egg
Ster              Satara                   Star
Anin           Awurdan                 Bring
Grin           Beriistan                  Cry
Nu              Taza, Jadid (arabic)  New
Çav            Chashm                   Eye
Tli, Peçi     Angusht                  Finger
Agir           Atash                      Fire
Birçi          Gorosna(gi)            Hungry
Kenin        Khandidan              Laugh
Ba             Bad                         Wind
Baran        Baran                      Rain
Bahoz       Tufan shada             Tempest
Brusk        Barq (Arabic)           Lightning
M^er
        Mardana              Masculine
N^er       Zanana                Feminine
J^ın        Zandagi               Life
Dev         Dahan                Mouth
.......


And so on. As you see majority Kurdish loanwords are shorther than Persian. Is it an indication to that Persians added some more letters onto Kurdish originated words or Kurds just throw away from Persian originated words, for example the words "Bra","Bradar" and "Dot" , "Dokhtar"as are in English "Brother" and "Daughter"



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Hemin Mukri,  your tone is close to disrespect.  Your new here, I suggest you read the Code of Conduct.
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First,

The text is not correctly typed.

Second,

It is in Zaza/Dimli language/dialect. Not Kurmanji Kurdish.
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  Quote Hemin Mukri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-May-2014 at 14:08
Then warn me when is disrespected. Some one will have a right to claim that I am not existed at all with no evidence and you will welcome him/her; when I say him do not drool, will it be disrespected. Then go ahead man. What can you do at most????? Then do it. Do not turn me crazyAngryAngryAngry
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I just did it. Your banned.
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Originally posted by Hemin Mukri

Dear Homayoun,

Please do not act with your feelings, if you do so you may drool. As most of Persians drool regarding Lurs and Bakhtiars. Here some Kurmanji Kurdish and Persian loanwords for comparison. Then you give me a logical answer why is that:

KURDISH  PERSIAN    ENGLISH

Bab                 Padar                 Father
De, Mak          Madar                  Mother
Bra                 Bradar                 Brother
Sister              Xweh                  Khwahar
Dot, Keç         Dokhtar                 Daugther
Dotmam        Dokhtar Amoo     Uncle daughter
Kurt, Kin        Kutah                  Short
Qic, Hur         Kuchak               Small
Kur                Pesar                  Son
Mer                Mard                   Man
Dlop             Raha Kardan         Drop
Hek              Tokhm  margh       Egg
Ster              Satara                   Star
Anin           Awurdan                 Bring
Grin           Beriistan                  Cry
Nu              Taza, Jadid (arabic)  New
Çav            Chashm                   Eye
Tli, Peçi     Angusht                  Finger
Agir           Atash                      Fire
Birçi          Gorosna(gi)            Hungry
Kenin        Khandidan              Laugh
Ba             Bad                         Wind
Baran        Baran                      Rain
Bahoz       Tufan shada             Tempest
Brusk        Barq (Arabic)           Lightning
M^er
        Mardana              Masculine
N^er       Zanana                Feminine
J^ın        Zandagi               Life
Dev         Dahan                Mouth
.......


And so on. As you see majority Kurdish loanwords are shorther than Persian. Is it an indication to that Persians added some more letters onto Kurdish originated words or Kurds just throw away from Persian originated words, for example the words "Bra","Bradar" and "Dot" , "Dokhtar"as are in English "Brother" and "Daughter"



It is Kurmanji Kurdish that has dropped the longer version of words.  For example Sorani still has some words that are long for example Kurmanji "Kir" and Sorani "Kirdin" and more like it as Kurmanji has dropped the "d" and Sorani has retained it.  Kurmanji seems to be the one that has shorten the words as in other Kurdish languages like Gorani the words are prounced more similar to other Iranian Languages.

Also those words are not Persian loan words they are Iranian Language words that share a common root in all Iranian Languages.  It be like saying the word Goot in german was a loan word from English word Good and the fact is both languages share the same origins.



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  Quote Karlaswagnaz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jun-2014 at 01:40
The Kerman region in Iran was called "Germania" by the Greeks, but I think it's a phonetical coincidence, like the Iberia of the Caucasus and the Iberia of western Europe.
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jun-2014 at 07:35
Originally posted by Karlaswagnaz

The Kerman region in Iran was called "Germania" by the Greeks, but I think it's a phonetical coincidence, like the Iberia of the Caucasus and the Iberia of western Europe.


The interesting thing that there are also several place names in Kerman region which sound like German places, for example look at this page from Unesco website: http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/5205/ As you see it talks about Citadel of Bam (Bamberg) and Rhine.
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  Quote Karlaswagnaz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jun-2014 at 16:49
There are better examples in the west, "Aire" means "noble" in Gaelic of Ireland and Scotland, and the Galician people from Spain have some things in common with Gilaki people, look their traditional dresses:
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KURMANJI                         
KURDISH     PERSIAN     ENGLISH      SORANI KURDISH           GERMAN
Bab, bav*    Padar*     Father      Bab = باب            Vater              
Dê, Mak      Madar     Mother      Daye = دايه            Mutter
Bra          Bradar*     Brother      Bira = برا            Bruder
Xweh, xwişk Khwahar     Sister **Xwişk= خوشك            Schwester
Dot, Keç     Dokhtar*     Daugther Kiç = کچ            Tochter
Mam, Ap    Amoo, Mam      Paternal uncle Mam = مام       Onkel
Dotmam     Dokhtar-amoo     Uncle's daughter Kiçî mam = کچ مام Onkel Tochter
Kurt, Kin    Kutah     Short      Kurt = كورت          Kurz
Qic, Hur     Kuchak*     Small      Çûk = چووک            Klein                  
Kur, Pis     Pesar     Son      Kur = كور مام          Sohn
Pismam     Pesar Amoo     Cousin     Kurî mam = كور          Sohn des Onkels               
Mêr          Mard*     Man     Pyaw= پـيــاو          Mann
Dlop        Raha Kardan     Drop    Dlop= دلوپ              Tropfen
Hêk        Tokhm-margh*     Egg     Tow = ‫تۆو‬ ,Helka=هيلكه      Ei, egg     
Stêr          Satara     Star     Astera=ئستره              Stern     
Anîn        Awurdan    Bring   Hawir=‫هاور          ‬        Bringen
Grîn         Beriistan     Cry     Grî = ‫گری‬           Weinen, Schrei
Nû   Taza, Jadid(Arabic)* New     Nwê = ‫نـوێ          ‬             Neu
Çav         Chashm*     Eye     Çaw = ‫چاو               ‬    Auge
Tlî, Pêçî   Angusht     Finger     Pil = پل,Panca= پـنجـه      Finger‬
Agir         Atash*     Fire     Agir= ئاگر             Feuer                    ‬Birçî      Gorosnagi     Hungry     Birsî=بـرسى          Begierig‬,hungrig
Kenîn      Khandidan     Laugh     Kenîn = ‫کـه نين          ‬        Lachen
Ba         Bad          Wind     Ba = با               Blähung, Wind
Baran         Baran     Rain     Baran = باران          Regnen
Bahoz     Tufan shada*     Tempest     Boran* = بوران          Sturm
Brûsk     Barq (Arabic)     Lightning Trişka = ترشقه     Blitz
Mê         Zanana     Feminine Mê =مى               feminin
Nêr         Mardana*    Masculine Nêr = نير           maskulin
Jîn         Zandagi     Life     Jîn = ‫ژ‬ين          Leben
Dev         Dahan     Mouth     Dam = ‫ده م‬          Mund


*The words borrowed by Turks.
** The Letter "X" = "Kh" in English.
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Dear İnce,

Is that all you know about Kurdish language? Then, let me correct you; that you may lead others to get misinformed.

More than 70% of Kurds Speak Kurmanji (North Kurmanji) and 20% of Kurds speak Sorani (South Kurmanji) And the rest 10% speak other dialects.

The features distinguishing the two dialects (Kurmanji and Sorani) or sub-dialects within each group are mainly morphological. Differences on the phonological level are: (1) the Sorani /I: Î/ contrast does not appear in Kurmanji (as you mentioned in your example), (2) /h / found in some Sorani sub-dialects is lacking in Kurmanji, (3) the Kurmanji aspirated distinction /p, t, k - p, t, k /, probably borrowed from Armenian, is lacking in Sorani, (4) the Kurmanji. "emphatic" (i.e., velarized) consonants /s, t, z/, probably borrowed from Arabic, do not appear in Sorani.

Morphological differences include, among others, (1) the definite suffix -eke appears only in Sorani, (2) the Sorani. verb suffix -ewe appears as preverb ve- in Kurmanji., (3) Sorani. pronominal suffixes -(i)m, -(i)t, etc are lacking in Kurmanji., and (4) the Kurmanji distinction in case (normative and oblique) and gender (masculine and feminine) in nouns and pronouns is lacking in Sorani (some of these distinctions appear to a very Inflated extent in Mukri and other sub-dialects of S.). The rest are mostly the same.

So, just have a look to the new table that re-arranged by me and added Sorani (South Kurmanji) words too. Then tell me, can you see much more difference between the two dialects as you were expected? No, But you can see a lot of similarities between Kurdish and German. In fact, we can even say Kurdish language is more ancient than German.

Let me give some examples: “Door” in Kurdish is “Derî” which comes from the verb “Der ve” meaning “out-side” we can expand the meaning in Kurdish as “(Thing) which separates out-side, the “barrier” the “Derî” which is in German is “Tür”

Lets talk about the word “Brother” that is in Persian “Bradar = برادر " and is in Kurdish Kurmanjî/Sorani “Bira = برا “ the origin of “Bira” might come from “Bi-ra” which means “With/By vein or With/By blood-vessel. So, we can expand it as “(who) comes from the same vein or blood-vessel”. So where goes the “-ther” and “-der” in “Bro-ther” and “Bra-dar”? I can say nowhere in Kurdish. Because ve Kurds already using the word “Der” as “Out-side”

Let's talk about the “New” in Persian is “Taza” or “Jadid = جديد (Arabic Orig.) We Kurds in Kurmanji say “Nû” and in Sorani “Nwê” which is in German “Neu”.

Also the word “Lightning” in Persian is “Barq = برق " which is in Kurdish “Brûsk” and in German is “ Blitz“ that is nothing to do with Persian.

Also the word “Drop„ in Persian is “Raha kardan = رها کردن " that is in Kurdish/Sorani/Kurmanji “Dlop„ and in German “Trop-fen„. They added the "fen" (!)

In Kurdish Kurmancî/Sorani for “Son„ you can use several alternatives such as “Kur, law, pis, role„ but in Persian only “Pusar„ Same for “Daughter you can use either “Dot, keç, qiz„ but in Persian only “Dokhtar„.

So, lets come to other side of the medallion, the Turkish influence. I can prove that you (Turks) borrowed a huge amount of words from foreigners. Lets say 40% from Arabic&Semitic and 35% from Indo-Europeans, and 15% from Mongol, Chinese and Russian, Latin etc. And may be 5% to 10% is pure Turkish. In fact some Turks put forward this idea. Just read this article “Türkçe Diye Bir Dil Yok!” at aykiridogrulardotcom that prepared by Turks.

And also lets inspect the given table and find Indo-Aryan (Kurdish, Persian, etc.) originated words that borrowed by Turks:

Bab
Peder
Brader
Doktor
Küçük
Taze
Çeşme
Tohum
Ateş
Tufan
Boran
Mert
Merdane

To be more clearly, you (Turks) even don't have your OWN word for the “word” and “sentence” that are “Kelime” and “cümle” both are borrowed from Arabs. You imagine the rest ;)

At the end of your article you mentioned “It be like saying the word Goot in German was a loan word from English word Good and the fact is both languages share the same origins”

Then I am asking you: How much you know the German and English history? Do you know that in the ancient times forefathers of Germans immigrated to the UK then afterwards a people so called English formed over there. Isn't it a conflict example given by you?

You better go and get busy with the proposed questions that asked in some other web sites, lets say “Turks are barbarians? Yes with the rest of the World”. Or go and get busy with the Turkish Language and its root “Türkçe Diye Bir Dil Yok! = “There is no such a language called Turkish” that proposed by some Turks.

Dear İnce,

Please think more ince and follow the true path amkp. ;)

                        
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You know de meaning Persian in Kurdish language? It is "Parsek" that means "Beggar" That's all I know about you. See the Kurdish journalist Musa Anter's "Memoirs". To me you Persian were gypsies and came live near around Kurds. I believe in that as I believe in God.
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My friendly advice to you is slow down the rhetoric and the quasi insulting language and tone. You have your beliefs others as well. If you don't want to end up like Hemin. Then be easier on the opposition's feelings and position. No one says you have to agree. But you can disagree with more respect.

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Take his advice Merd.  Only 2 posts and your already on thin ice.
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30-40 thousand years ago people used stone tools, Heritage underground temple, splendid rock tombs, the continued removal of rock blocks on the size of the stone quarries is like an open-air museum. Doliche which is the holiest city of the Kurdish Hittites (Medes) since the Byzantine era with the archdiocese moved to Zeugma in the 7th century religious center position is lost. From this date, a new city that was founded around the Dilok (Kurdish: Dîlok or Ayntap) Kurdish Castle (Median) Ayintap Dolikh began to take the place of the city and eventually became a village Ayintap. Finds in Tell Doliche include stone tools from 30-40 thousand years ago. The so-called Dulicien culture is Neolithic. Other finds in Doliche are an underground Kurdish Mithraic temple, rock graves, and stone quarries from which giant rock blocks are produced. During the Hittite period, it was a stop on the road connecting the Mediterranean to Mesopotamia. It was also a religious center. The sanctuary of the Hittite god Teshub was just at the north of the village

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pnqvCx7xQE

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZXCpqhO-8E


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Kurdish Aries Statue and Grave Stones

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiHg7bGJB3Y

Eerie Kurdish Cemetery in Batman, northern Kurdistan


http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of4A_IR7rmg


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[QUOTE=Zagros-Toros] Zagros-Toros]The Sumerian were Aryans-Kurds Sumerian language was spoken in ancient Kurdish Mesopotamia (Kurdish: MezraBotan) is Proto Indo-European language. These great civilizations is known for the invention of writing, at the end of the year 4000 BC Lived in the region between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers (Mesopotamian). Four thousand years ago, our community life, the role of agriculture, ox power in the production and purification efficiency and disciplined work Sumerians had created an economic doctrine. The Sumerian language, is with Kur, Gutian, Hatti/Luwian, Xaldi (Urartu), Hurrian/Mitanni, and other Aryan (Median) language is found to be closely today as it bears resemblance with the Kurdish seen. It is obvious that come from the same root as the etymology of words.Language is alive, and very little language may remain unchanged in 4000. The Kurds, over 1400 years the Arab cultural imperialism and the Turkey 86 years and despite denial were able to save their language from dying.The reason for this is the Kurdish oral literature and folklore are rich. Russian scholar: "The Kurds are the people most of the stories in the world has ..." he pointed to the Kurdish oral literature. This rich oral literature of the Ari Kurdish language was saved from dying.

The Sumerian were Aryans Kurds

Sumerian- Kurdish Language (Indo-European Language) Part 1/2

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Sumerian- Kurdish Language (Indo-European Language) Part 2/2

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUJF9hhVoRc






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That is wrong on so many levels. Kurds are not germanic at all. Kurds are part of Iranic people. And Iranic people are part of the Aryan culture. Being Arayan got nothing to do with being tall,blue eye and blond hair. The Aryan culture derived from some tribe in Africa who migrated to India and then Middle east and founded Persia and Median and Scythian Empire. Iranic people today still celebrates Newroz which is a part of the Arayan tradition. Hitler used the term Arayan for sin own agenda. And he was neither tall,blond haired or blue eyed himself.
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Opinions on this subject are like bellybuttons, everyone has one.

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Originally posted by ChildrenOfMala'Kak

That is wrong on so many levels. Kurds are not germanic at all. Kurds are part of Iranic people. And Iranic people are part of the Aryan culture. Being Arayan got nothing to do with being tall,blue eye and blond hair. The Aryan culture derived from some tribe in Africa who migrated to India and then Middle east and founded Persia and Median and Scythian Empire. Iranic people today still celebrates Newroz which is a part of the Arayan tradition. Hitler used the term Arayan for sin own agenda. And he was neither tall,blond haired or blue eyed himself.


Amen.

And what the guy above me said. otoh, this isn't particularly a new thread so don't expect much in the way of future responses to your post.

Iow. it's been beat to death not to mention that innumerable sources exist that id and support various themes on the history of Kurds.

Personally, because I'm a historian I'd start with the ''Sharafnama''.

R. Izady..and anything else he wrote/writes. The CIA/DOD still uses his
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Thank you sir. I'm kurdish myself, and this is the first time I've heard this. And with all do respect I was hoping It was more of a joke. Most of us today are dark skinned. I live scandinavia , so I have a pretty good Idead what germanic people looks like. So claiming they are kurds, we will automatically shoot ourselves in the foot. Because that automatically disqualifies us as kurds.  
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