Nadir Shah, the last great Asian conqueror

I can certainly understand your exacerbation. Persepolis was only destroyed when there was literally no army left to defend .Alexander was a coward and pedophile. He burned the buildings in persepolis despite most of the people evacuated.

Originally posted by Sinsot torkoman not Turkmen

were did u read that pan iranist websites ?


 

Originally posted by Sinsot One other great thing Nader shah did was making iranain open mind bout relgion

nadir was sunni muslem like today turkmens and he try to return iran from shia to sunni even by force this is why after he kill one of the well respected qajar lider and most of turkmens rebel against him  he left alone and assassinated

 

Originally posted by Sinsot half of his army were from sunni Uzbeks and Afghans

most of his army was turkmens from modern day turkmenistan and north east of iran these are note able commander of his army

jan ali soltan goklan lider of goklan turkmens he and goklans hunt down ashraf afghan in moorche khort near isfahan he kill ashraf he remain loyal to nadir until the night nadir assassinated

hassan ali khan turkmen and sharif beg turkmen . 2 of nadir's commanders they retake tabriz from ottoman

mohammad khan turkmen the emissary of nadir to indians he killed by indians and this was the reason of nadir's invasion of india

Allahyar Beig Gerayli . he was nadir's commander in war with ottoman my mother is gerayli turkmen and gerayli is part of yomud turkmens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topal_Osman_Pasha

Im great fan of Nader Shah Afshar because im from his own tribe and clan even might have his own blood who knows all i know is my family were an important but we kept our origin secret because qajars were against us :) Nader reunited iran again and it wasn't possible without force of Sword because iran is a huge country with different people and different languages and religions so a powerful sword was needed to make them united under one flag from Batumi to Badakhshan Derbent to Dubai :)
Nader was from Torkoman tribe of Afshar torkoman not Turkmen Afshar were people who became part of iran in age of Great Seljuk of Iran the word of Afshar or Usher come from Af Af means hunting in turkish Afshar means fast hunter and really it was in our blood for example when my dad was a kid he hunted birds by running after them and made them tierd which they couldnt fly any more and my dad got them :)
Afshars entered to Anatolia by Seljuk conquest Afshars in Anatolia made Beyelik ( local kingdoms which controlled by seljuk of rum and seljuk of rum controlled by seljuk of iran ) in 15th century Teymur from Iran attacked new born Ottoman Empire in age of Ilderim Bayezit karaman beyelik was mostly shia muslim but they were alliance of ottomans agains Teymur so Teymur captured many of them as Teymur was also shia grand father of Shah Ismail Safavi grantee they will make no problem if they become shia so Teymur set them free and they be follower of Safavi household in age is Soltan Salim he destroyed Karaman also it was time grandson of that sufi made a shia revoulution in iran to make west and east iran united ( Ak koyonlu and Teymuri which destroyed by Uzbeks ) so Afshar joint Ismail Army and they becsme 6th clan of Qizilbash of Safavid in age of next king Shah Tahmasp safavi ( age of famous wars with Soltan Soleyman the Magnificent or Kanuni ) afshars who left anatolia to Azerbaijan becsme two part a group returned to their homeland Khorasan in north east of iran against Uzbeks and a group which im from them came to south east of iran like kerman to make Pashtuns ( Afghan ) and Baloch and some persians in kerman shie muslim :) still Pashtuns ( afghans ) dont like afshar :) Nader shah was from Khorasani group he was against Kermani afshar tribe even

I was just looking at the older topics and saw this one and I couldn't help my self but to write a reply on
"unlike the great trade city of Milet which was razed to the ground by the Persians in 494 BC."

I personally have no Idea if thats true since the only source I have read that wrote this was herodotus , and you know how herodotus is right ....

but even if it was true , then that my friend was what we call these days payback = fair !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionian_Revolt#Sardis

Nadir shah didn't really destroy any important thing but Alexander did, like the great Persepolis, the most important thing is the destruction of other cultures, who is the real destroyer? Someone who respects other cultures or someone who imposes his own culture on other peoples?

Both words have Arabic origins, but the Egnlish word comes from Arabic nazir (نظیر): http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=nadir&searchmode=none whenas Arabic nader (نادر) means "extraordinary, exceptional".

Originally posted by Gun Powder Ma Is there an option lower than weak? Within five years of his death, his empire crumbled. His legacy? Death and destruction. Just another Timur who put central Asia a step backward.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Like Alexander, but the fact is that their successors were weak, not these conqueror.

Ya but a great leader should leave behind men who are capable of leading. Look at the USA today - it is great not because of one or a few individuals but because of a system which ensures Pax Americana survives. What good is a conquest if it does not last.

Cyrus, are you aware that some historians, linguists, etc., consider the word "Caesar / Kaiser" to mean something like "War Leader" or even "Second in command", or something similar?

If so, its existance could be much older than it currently thought?

Also, the very name "Nadir", tends to resemble the English word "nadir", meaning something like "at its (his/her) lowest point!"

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nadir

Could it have merely been a "great play on words?"

Regards,

Edited by opuslola - 06-Jun-2010 at 14:17

Of course it can be pronounced as "K" like in Kisra, you know "Taq-i-Kisra" (Iwan of Khosrow) -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taq-i_Kisra That is really similar to Kaisar but the Persian word could be older than Caesar, there was also a Parthian king with this name, the one who fought against Trajan, Khusrava was also the name of a legendary king in the Avesta, it relates to Sanskrit Sushrava in the Rig Veda.