Originally posted by Azadi Sarmatians were of ancient Iranian origin, you nor your manipulative leaders can change that.  This is, sadly for you, proven. Be happy with the history your people already re-wrote, and get on with your life. Have a nice day!

Yo say bla ,bla and bla; but ı show scientific sources here. And ı already answered your pointless idea.

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=27833

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F...k off! Kurdî not similar with Persian! You are not kurd!

Originally posted by Messopotamian F...k off! Kurdî not similar with Persian! You are not kurd!

Originally posted by SonOfIran Originally posted by Messopotamian F...k off! Kurdî not similar with Persian! You are not kurd!   I hope you're be sarcastic. If not, you are a fool. Persian and Kurdish both fall under the same language branch, so how can they not be similar?

Originally posted by Messopotamian F...k off! Kurdî not similar with Persian! You are not kurd!

Wow, pretty agressive reaction right here to a simple post....

No one is saying that Kurds are Persian and that Kurds shouldnt have a nation...calm down. The user simply pointed out linguistic similarities, WHICH DO EXIST, because as stated, we fall under the same language tree of Iranian languages.

English	Zazaki	Kurmanci/Sorani	Pashto	Balochi	Mazandarani	Persian	Middle Persian	Parthian	Old Persian	Avestan
beautiful	rind	rind/delal/cûwan	ʂkulai/xkulai, ʂɑjista/xɑjista	sharr, soherâ	ṣəmxâl/ Xəş-nəmâ	zibâ/ xuš-chehreh	hučihr, hužihr	hužihr	naiba	vahu-, srîra
blood	goyni	xwîn	wina	hon	xun	xūn	xōn	xōn		vohuni
bread	nan	nan	ɖoɖəi, nəɣɑn	nân, nagan	nûn	nân	nân	nân
bring	ardene	anîn/hênan, awirdin/hawirdin	rɑ wɺ̡əl	âurten, yārag, ārag	biyârden	âvardan/biyar	âwurdan, āwāy-, āwar-, bar-	āwāy-, āwar-, bar-	bara-	bara, bar-
brother	bıra	bira	wror	brāt, brās	birâr	barādar	brād, brâdar	brād, brādar	brâtar	brâtar-
come	amayene	hatin	rɑ tləl	āhag, āyag	Biyamona, enen	âmadan	âmadan, awar	awar, čām	ây-, âgam	âgam-
cry	berbayene	girîn	ʒaɺ̡əl	greewag, greeten	bərmə/ qâ	geristan/geryeh	griy-, bram-
dark	tari	tarî	tjɑrə	thár	siyo	târîk	târīg/k	târīg, târēn		sâmahe, sâma
daughter/girl	çena	keç/kîj/kenîşk/dot	lur	dohtir, duttag	kijâ/ dether	doxtar	duxtar	duxt, duxtar		duxδar
day	roce/roje/roze	roj	wradz	roç	rezh	rûz	rōz		raucah-
do	kerdene	kirin/kirdin	kawəl	kanag, kurtin	hâkerden	kardan	kardan	kartan	kạrta-	kәrәta-
door	çeber	derge/derî	war, daɺ̡a	gelo, darwāzag	bəli	dar	dar	dar, bar	duvara-	dvara-
die	merdene	mirin/mirdin	mrəl	mireg	mərnen	murdan	murdan		mạriya-	mar-
donkey	her	ker	xar	her	xar	xar	xar
egg	hak	hêk/hêlik	hagəi	heyg, heyk	merqâna	toxm	toxmag, xâyag	taoxmag, xâyag		taoxma-
earth	êrd (uncertain origin)	herd/erd (uncertain origin)	zməka	zemin	zemi	zamin	zamīg	zamīg	zam-	zãm, zam, zem
evening	shan	êvar/êware	mɑʂɑm/mɑxɑm	begáh	nəmâşun	begáh	sarshab	êbêrag
eye	çım	çav/çaw	stərga	ch.hem, chem	bəj, Çəş	chashm	chašm	chašm	čaša-	čašman-
father	pi	bav/bawk/piya	plɑr	pit, piss	piyer	pedar	pidar	pid	pitar	pitar
fear	ters	tirs	vera, tars	turs, terseg	təşəpaş	tars	tars	tars	tạrsa-	tares-
fiancé	washte	dezgîran	numzɑd	nām zād	xasgar	nâm-zad	-	-
fine	weş	xweş/baş	ʂa/xa	wash, hosh	xaar	xosh	dârmag			srîra
finger	gisht	til/qamik/engust	gwəta	lenkutk, mordâneg	angoos	angošt	angust			dišti-
fire	adır	agir/atir	wor	âch, âs	tesh	âtaš, âzar	âdur, âtaxsh	ādur	âç-	âtre-/aêsma-
fish	mase	masî	kab	mâhi, mâhig	mahi	mâhi	mâhig	mâsyâg		masyô, masya
food / eat	werdene	xwarin/xwardin	xoɺ̡ə / xwaɺ̡əl	warag, warâk	Xərak/ xəynen	Gaza / xordan	parwarz / xwâr, xwardīg	parwarz / xwâr		hareθra / ad-, at-
go	şiyayene	çûn/çiyin	tləl	jwzzegh, shutin	shunen / burden	raftan	raftan, shudan	ay-	ai-	ay-, fra-vaz
god	heq	xwedê/xwa	xwdai	hwdâ	homa, xəda	khodâ	bay, abragar		baga-	baya-
good	rınd	baş, çak, rind	ʂə/xə	jawáin, šarr	xâr	xub / nîuū	xūb, nêkog		vahu-	vohu, vaŋhu-
grass	vash	giya, riwek, şênkatî	wɑʂə/wɑxə	rem, sabzag		sabzeh, giyâh	giyâ	dâlūg		urvarâ
great	gırs / pil	gir, mezin, gewre	loj, ɣwara	mastar, mazan	gat, belang, pila	bozorg	wuzurg, pīl		vazraka-	uta-, avañt
hand	dest	dest	lɑs	dast	dess	dast	dast	dast	dasta-	zasta-
head	ser	ser, kep	sar, kakaɺ̡ai	saghar	kalə	sar, kalleh	sar
heart	zerre	dil	zɺ̡ə	dil, hatyr	dil	del	dil	dil		aηhuš
horse	estor	hesp/esp	ɑs	asp	istar	asp, astar	asp, stōr	asp, stōr	aspa	aspa-
house	keye	mal, hoz, xanu	kor, xuna	log, dawâr	səre	xâneh	xânag			demâna-, nmâna-
hunger	vêşan	birçîtî/wirsêtî	lwəʐa/lwəga	shudhagh	veyshna	gorosnegi	gursag, shuy
language (also tongue)	zıwan / zon	ziwan/ziman	ʒəba	zevân, zobân	ziwân	zabân	zuwân	izβân	hazâna-	hizvâ-
laugh	huyayene	kenîn	xandəl	khendegh, hendeg		xandidan	xandīdan		karta	Syaoθnâvareza-
life	jewiyaene	jiyan/jîn	ʒwandun	zendegih, zind		zendegi	zīndagīh, zīwišnīh	žīwahr, žīw-		gaêm, gaya-
man	merd	mêr, piyaw	saɺ̡ai, meɺ̡ə	merd	merd	mard	mard	mard	martiya-	mašîm, mašya
moon	ashmê	heyv/mang	spoʐmai/spogmai, mjɑʃt	máh	mithra	mâh	māh	māh	mâh-	måŋha-
mother	maye	dayik, mak	mor	mât, mâs	mâr	mâdar	mādar	mādar	mâtar	mâtar-
mouth	fek	dev/dem	xwlə	dap		dahân	dahân, rumb			åŋhânô, âh, åñh
name	name	naw	num	nâm	num	nâm	nâm		nâman	nãman
night	şewe	shew, shewn, nutek	ʃpa	šap, shaw	sheow	shab	shab		xšap-	xšap-
open	akerdene	vekirin	prɑnistəl, xlɑsawəl	pabožagh, paç	vâ-hekârden	bâz-kardan	abâz-kardan		būxtaka-	būxta-
peace	kotpy	aştî	roɣa	ârâm		âshti, ârâmeš, ârâmî	âštih, râmīšn	râm, râmīšn	šiyâti-	râma-
pig	xoz	beraz	xug, seɖar	khug	xi	xūk	xūk			varâza (wild pig)
place	ja	cih/şûn	dzaj	hend, jâgah		jâh/gâh	gâh	gâh	gâθu-	gâtu-, gâtav-
read	wendene	xwendin	lwastəl	wánagh	baxinden	xândan	xwândan
say	vatene	gotin/wutin	wajəl	gushagh	baotena	goftan, gap(-zadan)	guftan, gōw-, wâxtan	gōw-	gaub-	mrû-
sister	wae	xweşk	xor	gwhâr	xâxer	xâhar/xwâhar	xwahar
small	qıc	piçûk	kutʃnai, waɺ̡ukai, kam	gwand, hurd	pətik, bechuk, perushk	kuchak, kam, xurd, rîz	kam, rangas	kam	kamna-	kamna-
son	qıj	kur	zoj	baç, phusagh	pisser	pesar, pûr, baça	pur, pusar	puhr	puça	pūθra-
soul	gan	giyan	arwɑ	rawân		ravân	rūwân, gyân	rūwân, gyân		urvan-
spring	usar	bihar	psarlai	bhârgâh	wehâr	bahâr	wahâr		vâhara-	θūravâhara-
tall	berz	bilind/berz	lwaɺ̡, dʒəg	bwrz, buland		boland / bârez	buland, borz	bârež		barez-
three	hire	sê	dre	sey	se	se	sê	hrē	çi-	θri-
village	dewe	gund, dê	kəlai	helk, kallag, dê	deh	deh, wis	wiž	dahyu-	vîs-, dahyu-
want	waştene	xwestin/wîstin	ɣuʂtəl/ɣuxtəl	lotagh	bexanen	xâstan	xwâstan
water	owe	aw	obə	âp	ab	âb/aw	âb	âb	âpi	avô-
when	key	kengê/key	kəla	ked		kay	kay	ka		čim-
wind	va	ba	bɑd	gwáth	wâ	bâd	wâd			vâta-
wolf	verg	gur/gurg	lewə, ʃarmuʂ/ʃarmux	gurkh	varg	gorg	gurg		varka-	vehrka
woman	ceniye	jin/afret	ʂədza/xədza	jan	zhənya	zan	zan	žan		hâīrīšī-, nâirikâ-
year	serre	sal	kɑl	sâl		sâl	sâl		θard	ýâre, sarәd
yes / no	ya / né	erê (bale) (a) / na	ho (wo) / na, ja	ere / na		baleh (âre) / na	hâ / ney	hâ / ney	yâ / nay, mâ	yâ / noit, mâ
yesterday	vizêri	duh/dwênê	parun	zí	direz	diruz	dêrûž
English	Zazaki	Kurdish	Pashto	Balochi	Mazandarani	Persian	Middle Persian	Parthian	Old Persian	Avestan

however, can a regular Kurdish speaker understand a Persian speaker and vise versa? probably not because of accent differences and because most of the words are different. Maybe if they talked really slowly they could understand a few words here and there, which is what the user said.

As you can see from the list i posted above, there are many similarities between Kurdish and Persian, just differences in pronunciation.


Edited by TheGreatSimba - 26-Dec-2009 at 09:24

Originally posted by Messopotamian Originally posted by Ince Not similar? So why do I understand some of what a Persian says, even tho my Kurdish is not that great?, only big difference is the accent in which they pronounce some words differently.   Words that are similar, their are many more then I listed.  Her Kez? Chande? Chia? Shireen? Kune? Zan/Dan? Min/Man? Ruz/Roz? Zir/Zer? Dar? Dil? Gul?     Sayeh shoma sangine shoudeh   it is persian. Do you understand it ? xD

No I do not understand that, I also do not understand when Kurds speak in Sorani as well.  My point is Farsi is similar to Kurdish, the main differenec is they prounounce some words differently and have a different accent.  Some Iranians when they speak Farsi I understand something at times, but only if the accent is similar to Kurdish.  Other Persians I barely understand as the accent is different. 

My next question is why do Some people in Iran speak Farsi in different accents? who are the ones that speak it in a way that Kurds can maybe pick up a few things their and then and the ones who speak in a way that I can barely understand a word?


Edited by Ince - 26-Dec-2009 at 16:14

Originally posted by TheGreatSimba Well, in general i think Azadi is correct. Although there are similarities, I do not think that a Persian speaker can understand a Kurdish speaker and vise versa. However, there are different Persian accents the same way there are different English accents. In the United States alone there are 4 different English accents, Australian/American/Canadian/British/South African, etc... English all are spoken in different accents. it has to do with geography.

Only about 50% of the words are similar and of that 50% is prounouced differently so it would be difficult to understand eachother.  For example when Ahmadinejad had a interview on TV and was speaking in Farsi, my parents told me they could understand a lot of words and some sentences but it was difficult to make out what he was saying most of the time. 

Edited by Ince - 27-Dec-2009 at 05:22

Of course words similar. But Kurmanjis not understand Persian.He says " I am Turkey Kurd ( Kurmanci ) and i understand Persian." I reject.  Maybe Iranian Kurds understand. But we not understand!

Are u idiot ? or not ?