Abortion a human right?

 

It showed a small human being, decapitated and in pieces, but with limbs and body clearly visible as human.

A small being that lacked all rights and that was thrown in a garbage can.

 

That's all.

 

Sorry to shock people for shown how a "bunch of cells" looks like, after being decapitated.

When it concerns the developed countries they will not change their abortion policies just because the Pope wants that so his words in that case has not so much direct impact on peoples lives.

 

It seems that the Pope makes some strange statements in several questions, as the statement when he claimed that the using of condoms in Africa would lead to a worsening of the problem with people getting infected by HIV.

 

I found it ridiculous that abortionists use censorship to forbid the display of such crimes, just to protect the people who commit them. It is like to forbid murdered to see pictures of theirs dead victims.

1. Your photo was removed because it violated the CoC VII.B.4.  Specifically it violated the prohibition regarding graphic images, as Seko pointed out.  This is not censorship but terms of use and conduct that you agree to when you join.  Your point was never censored, the text of your post was left only the picture was removed.  If you have an issue with a decision made by a staff member (mod or admin) pm that person but don't do it publicly, that's poor form.

2. The murdered can't see any pictures because they are the victims and by definition deceased.  I believe you want your sentence to read: "It is like forbidding a murderer to see pictures of their dead victims."  However, the point implied with this statement is not even close to comparable to abortion.  By this I mean that a murderer viewing pictures of his/her victim(s) is tantamount to discovery (a legal principle whereby the prosecution in a case has to turn over to the defense all documentation, evidence, and witness lists).  Pictures of murder victims (the murdered, if you will) are essentially evidence of a crime used to show the jury the affects of the actions of the accused; used much like video footage of a crime.  It should be pointed out that pictures of murder victims are rarely used in trials.  Pictures of dead fetus' are just meant to shock people, nothing more.  Abortion is legal in many states and therefore a picture of a dead fetus is not evidence of a crime, it's like showing a child who had a compound fracture of the leg (that is a fracture where the bone is protruding from the skin).  Both are gross and hard to look at but neither is evidence of a crime.

3. Not all people who are pro-Choice would actually get an abortion performed.  Some would not be able to go through with an abortion but still think that the right of a woman to choose what her options are is tantamount to her right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  Please don't act like people just go into an abortion willy-nilly, that's just not the case.  There are many things to consider when one is deciding whether or not to get an abortion and nobody makes those decisions easily.  On this issue you are talking about things about which you don't know.  It's ok to have an opinion about an issue such as this but it's not ok to make somebody, who has a different opinion and who has acted on what she decided was right for her, feel bad.  The fact of the matter is she is already anguishing over what she is doing but ultimately the only one who knows if she is making the right decision is her.  So, again, get off your high horse!

 

I wonder what your public would feel if the had the chance to SEE the truth.

2. Show me one law that forbids those pictures being shown in the USA.  When were these laws enacted?  If you go to any Planned Parenthood you can see a number of protesters holding pictures of aborted fetuses; I've seen billboards on highways with pictures of aborted fetuses in the USA.  The US Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that activists can show pictures of aborted fetuses.  There is a planned parenthood not far from where I live (within 1 mile) that has protesters out front on a regular basis with pictures of aborted fetuses.  There are a number of documentaries done on abortion that have been shown in the US.  One was shown on PBS, if I remember correctly it was shown on a program called Frontline.  What about films like Lake of Fire directed by Tony Kaye (the guy who did American History X)?  That was shown in the USA and Canada with no law forbidding it from being shown.  It opened in Canada in September 2005 and in the USA October 3, 2007 to critical acclaim.  I mean even Fox News has produced a documentary on abortion called Facing Reality: Choice.  So again you are talking about things about which you know nothing.  Educate yourself before you open your mouth (or in this case type a response).

3. The public would be split just the way it is now, but it wouldn't change the minds of the pro-choice people.  You seem to think that people don't know what they are doing when they have an abortion or just don't care and do it like they would make a sandwich.  My point is this everybody who does this (gets an abortion) knows exactly what they are doing and agonize over the decision–nobody takes the decision lightly.  Each person making the decision makes the right decision for themselves; just because you don't agree with it doesn't make your stance more "truthful."

 

I know the christians are not alone excerzising power against indigenous peoples but since the christian culture has been rather dominant in many places for a rather long period it´s not wrong to adress these issues.

Akolouthos: Suffice it to say, by way of response, that the Pope represents the Roman Catholic Church, and as such is not my representative -- although I do generally consider him a better voice for morality and ethical standards than the sorts we have generally put in charge of such things in the modern era.

In some things that he know nothing about it would be better if he didn´t talk at all.

Akolouthos. I understand that you have prepared criticisms which you've been dying to voice against every aspect of the Christian faith, but it would really be easier for all of us if you could keep them relevant to the context of our discussions.

One can see the Popes statements about condoms in the same context as his talk about  abortions so it´s rather relevant, especially since this thread is about abortion.

 

 

I am agnostic, for instance. And I was a member of freemasonry, once.

 

However, for me it is quite clear the biggest crime is not abortion itself, but to deny the "human citizenship" to unborn babies.

 

That has been the same tactic applied before the large genocides of history. First you take away the label "human" from your fellow hominids, and then you can kill them at will. That happened with Amerindians, Blacks, Jews, Russians and many other people in the past. Today the target are the babies.

 

That's what I think, anyways.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't be silly. There aren't rational shifting of the limits a "little bit further" to ridiculize the quality of humans of fetus. You well know life start at the conception.

 

By the way, I have some excelent pictures of a so called "partial birth". There, a 9 month fetus is decapitated, in orden women excercise theirs rights. I can send you them by private e-mail if you like. There you can see the big smile of the "mommy"

 

 

 

A fine instruction to all of us; sadly enough, I have seldom met anyone who heeded it.

I suppose you might be able to, but you'll still need to provide some context to get me on board. I suspect the comment has more to do with your desire to attack one of the most visible religious figures, rather than from a desire to better understand the question at hand. With regard to the issue you have raised, it would have been a rather simple thing to do.

 

A figure like the Pope has (unfortunately) a lot of influence on many catholic peoples minds. That is why he really shouldn´t talk about things he obviously doesn´t understand.