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Topic: Mestizos Posted: 25-Apr-2009 at 16:44 |
Why is it a confusion or psychological handicap to some Mestizo males to accept that they're a mixed race,neither European nor Asian ?!
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Posted: 25-Apr-2009 at 16:49 |
I don't understand this question.
"Mestizo" means by itself "mixed-blood", so if you're mestizo, you're admitting that you're mixed.
Your statement doesn't make any sense.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2009 at 17:42 |
Mestizo is a very relative term. It goes from 1% Amerindian and 99% European all the way to 1% European and 99% Amerindian.
Technically, almost all the people of the United States are Mestizo.
So, I wonder why is it a confusion or psychological handicap to most Americans to accept that they're a mixed race,neither European nor Asian ?!
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Posted: 25-Apr-2009 at 17:42 |
Originally posted by calvo
Your statement doesn't make any sense.
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It's some Mestizos males don't sense !
It doesn't make sense to me that there are " online " Mestizo males try to prove predominately European genetic in Mestizos race.They're a mixed race,what is there to prove
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Posted: 25-Apr-2009 at 17:48 |
Get a hammer and hit your head. Perhaps that way your will open your mind a bit...
Latin Americans acknowledge a DUAL origin of theirs countries and cultures. They recognize theirs Amerindian ancestry but they are not going to renounce to theirs IBERIAN ancestry either.
Do you get it at last? If not, pick the hammer once more
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Posted: 25-Apr-2009 at 18:08 |
Originally posted by pinguin
Get a hammer and hit your head. Perhaps that way your will open your mind a bit...
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Frankly,you're the one needs it the most !!
We all know your obession is ,.
Edited by pebbles - 25-Apr-2009 at 18:31
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Posted: 25-Apr-2009 at 18:27 |
Pebbles,
You are close to violating AE code of conduct. You'd be lucky not to get banned by the moderators soon.
As I stress the last time: Mestizo means mixed; and by admiting European ancestry doesn't mean that you're not mixed. In the same sense, a Spaniard that admits Berber ancestry, or a Chinese that admits Turkic ancestry, is not necessarily denying that he is Spanish or Chinese.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2009 at 18:43 |
Originally posted by pebbles
It's some Mestizos males don't sense !
It doesn't make sense to me that there are " online " Mestizo males try to prove predominately European genetic in Mestizos race.They're a mixed race,what is there to prove
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Surely there are mestizos who'd like to deny one heritage or another. Just like there are people in every nation that like to believe in a mythologized origin of their ethnic group. I don't know where the obsession many people have with human races comes from, but since you seem to be one of those people who seems to care about race a lot perhaps you can explain better than us what's so great about trying to cram people into racial boxes.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2009 at 19:21 |
Yes, particularly when for Latin Americans the main factor of identity it is the COUNTRY where they are from rather than anything else
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Posted: 25-Apr-2009 at 20:25 |
"Mestizo is a very relative term. It goes from 1% Amerindian and 99% European all the way to 1% European and 99% Amerindian."
"..for Latin Americans the main factor... is the COUNTRY ... they are from..."
Those two quotes pretty much nail it down. As a cultural term, "mestizo" takes on different nuances from country to country. Had you posed your question in terms of: Why do some, for example, Mexican-Americans, have such a big chip etc., it would have made more sense.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2009 at 22:23 |
What I also find interesting is that in some countries where indigenous people form a large minority or even a majority mestizos and criollos are not differentiated any more. In Guatemala ladinos are just everybody who is not culturally Mayan (or Xinka or Garifuna), and within that group people don't bother differentiating between Criollos, Mestizos and westernized Mayas. That is a very big difference from Mexico, where in my experience criollos tend to make a big point about them not being mestizo.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2009 at 23:48 |
Actually, the situation Guatemala is similar than in most Latin American countries. The case of Mexico, Bolivia and Peru, where there are parallel Indian and Hispanic societies side by side are most the exception rather than the rule.
In my country, for instance, foreigners hardly distinguish natives from not-native Chileans.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2009 at 23:52 |
Originally posted by pinguin
Actually, the situation Guatemala is similar than in most Latin American countries. The case of Mexico, Bolivia and Peru, where there are parallel Indian and Hispanic societies side by side are most the exception rather than the rule. |
I'm wasn't talking about Indian-Hispanic divides, but about criollo-mestizo divide.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2009 at 23:53 |
In my country (CHile) we think first ourselves as chileans and not regarding ourselves as a single ethnicity or racial labeling more than chilean. I think we are going ahead than many other latinamerican nations even the USA, where people is going labeled by fenotypes, we are just one people.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2009 at 23:53 |
Criollo-Mestizo? That hardly exist in Latin America, really. What often happens is that mixed people don't know or don't recognize they are mixed.
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Posted: 25-Apr-2009 at 23:58 |
Originally posted by pebbles
It's some Mestizos males don't sense !
It doesn't make sense to me that there are " online " Mestizo males try to prove predominately European genetic in Mestizos race.They're a mixed race,what is there to prove
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The word mestizo is just a concept to describe people who have certain degree of amerindian admixture, which is by the way not always overlap in phenotype.
Here in chile you see people with the same lastnames and one can looks completely aborigen (predominantly at least) and other can look even lighter than your average spaniard, and not for those differences one is going to believe that is different to the other since both can share historical ancestors and places in common, we see to the future as one people we common needs.
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Posted: 26-Apr-2009 at 00:04 |
Originally posted by pinguin
Criollo-Mestizo? That hardly exist in Latin America, really. What often happens is that mixed people don't know or don't recognize they are mixed. |
That depends on whom you talk to. There are definately still criollos (or rather, people who think of themselves as criollos) that look down on mestizos.
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Posted: 26-Apr-2009 at 00:08 |
That depends on whom you talk to. There are definately still criollos (or rather, people who think of themselves as criollos) that look down on mestizos.
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Yes that happens but they don't discriminate every mestizo, but mestizo with predominantly indigenous features and genetic, since most criollos in the americas are themselves castizos.
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Posted: 26-Apr-2009 at 00:13 |
Very few people in Latin America lacks its drop of Indigenous blood. The only that really can say they are "white" are descendent of recent European immigrants that remain isolated.
However, they don't represent a significant fraction of the population at all, not even in the upper class.
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Posted: 26-Apr-2009 at 00:31 |
Originally posted by pinguin
Very few people in Latin America lacks its drop of Indigenous blood. The only that really can say they are "white" are descendent of recent European immigrants that remain isolated.
However, they don't represent a significant fraction of the population at all, not even in the upper class. |
well they are not even a majority in argentina , but over there they represent a important fraction of the population, me thinks. Even most """white""" americans are mixed since most got amerindian dna , and thats not counting the jewish,gypsy or anything else that most americans got running in their veins nowadays.
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