Cultural Elements from Shamanism

Yes, actually the old Shaman Turkish New Year.  It just past a couple days ago.  Most people call it Nevruz or close to it, or Ergenekon Bayram.  Most Turkish nations and regions celebrate this day, the only Turks I know of that don't celebrate it are Turks of western Turkey.  It represents the day the Gokturks left the Ergenekon Valley to form the new Turkish empire and also the Shaman New Year.  This year we're in the year of the Bird.  They Shaman calendar is a 12 animal calendar, close to the Chinese calendar.

Why don't you like the word Ergenekon?  I was always taught that myth was for Turks as well as Mongols.  Do a lot of Turks agree with you?  Because you're the first Turk I've ever hear say that.

Originally posted by Oguzoglu   I heard that not cutting your nails at night, not chewing gum at night and also not looking a mirror in darkness are some of these cultural inheritances of thousands of years...

    hmm...who would look at a mirror in the dark?

Yeah, building great tombs is one of them. Just look at it. Turks build two great tombs for Ataturk and Turgut �zal (Well, I dont think he deserved one...).

And about Nevruz, it is the beginning of the new year in old Turkish 12 animals calender, and it is still celebrated.

 

Why don't you like the word Ergenekon?  I was always taught that myth was for Turks as well as Mongols.  Do a lot of Turks agree with you?  Because you're the first Turk I've ever hear say that.

Ergenekon or Ergene-khun belongs to the Mongols, not to the Turks. The Turkic peoples in general didn't have a common myth like this but the G�k T�rks had a similar myth which is recorded in Chinese sources. Some weirdo 20th century Turkish statesmen decided that Ergenekon belongs to the Turks so they made us celebrate it in the Coming of the Spring festivals.

Funny thing is that the Mongolian Ergene-khun or the Mongolian Creation Myth is probably a different version of the G�k T�rk creation myth but after all these two are different myths and they should not be confused.

Besides, the G�k T�rk creation myth belonged only to the G�k T�rks, not to all the other Turkic peoples. The Gaoche, Uyghurs, Q�rgh�z, Oghuz, etc had their own creation myths or legends like that.

And about Nevruz, it is the beginning of the new year in old Turkish 12 animals calender, and it is still celebrated.

Well actually Nevruz/Navroz/whateverthehellitis is an Iranic thing; however, what we celebrate is the Coming of the Spring festival and Nevruz is just one of the many such festivals which were and are being celebrated by countless peoples in the World. The Romans, Greeks, Chinese, Iranians, Turkics, etc etc all had their own festival and Nevruz was the Iranian one. When we Turks started contacting with the Islamic World, the name of the Turkic festival was changed to Nevruz and today the Turkic World celebrates it's festival with the name of the Iranian festival.

The Oguz people have their own myths of creation, like the myth of creation from a tree and a male wolf.

But I think Ergenekon was a common myth btw Turkic people and Mongols, maybe not Oguz...

Yeah, sure :

this link is a fine Turkish source:

http://tt.baskent.edu.tr/turkmitolojisi/oguz.htm

Originally posted by ihsan Some weirdo 20th century Turkish statesmen decided that Ergenekon belongs to the Turks so they made us celebrate it in the Coming of the Spring festivals.

Who were those statesmen? It seems like they were influential on all around Central Asia and Turkic republics. Very interesting.

 

Ergene-khun belongs to the Mongols and the Turkic didn't have a common creation myth, it's this simple. Get it people.

Yea we do, Turks were Shamans before they adopted Islam.