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    Posted: 25-Oct-2009 at 18:37
Again, a segment of posts, with the longest being maybe six sentences long! It seems curt, or smart responses are or were the order of the day at this site?
But, again, my post is also curt, and smart!
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  Quote Feramez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Apr-2005 at 23:42
What are deep clear double eyelids?
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  Quote Gubook Janggoon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Apr-2005 at 23:08
Originally posted by Elanjie

em , I have deep clear double eyelid, so i must have at least 20% blood of Tujue.

I sometimes have a anger without any reason, wild as Tujue they once had.



You're kidding right?

I must be related to the Tujue also then..my whole family has a "Deep clear double eyelid"...

OMFG my French friend has them too!  We're all like 20% Tujue! 

OMFG That means we're all like cousins!


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  Quote Feramez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Apr-2005 at 23:01
Yes they are, Altay and Hakas Turks are too.
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  Quote mongol warrior Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Apr-2005 at 19:24

we, mongolians are shamanist too.

offically we're buddist,  but it mixed with shamanism.  enough different then tibetians.

we have that "nail... " words too.

now days, shamans live in western and northern mongolia, i born in western mongolia and our familly had one "woman" (shaman), who tells/helps/reads our future.

i think buriats tuvas are shamanist too. 

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  Quote Feramez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Apr-2005 at 12:44
Yes and I think a lot of Yakut Turks are still Shaman.
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  Quote Elanjie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Apr-2005 at 08:13

em , I have deep clear double eyelid, so i must have at least 20% blood of Tujue.

I sometimes have a anger without any reason, wild as Tujue they once had.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Apr-2005 at 05:36
There are still shamanist Turks living all around central asia, such as Altai Turks...
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  Quote Feramez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Apr-2005 at 23:50
Yea we do, Turks were Shamans before they adopted Islam.
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  Quote Hmongshaman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Apr-2005 at 22:28
WOW, shamanism! Hmong, Mien, Lisu, Ahka, and other minority ethnic in today Asian practice Shamanism...Hmong or Miao been practicing shamanism for thousand of year....wow, I didnt know that some of yal know about shamanism...coooool
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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Apr-2005 at 04:11
Ergene-khun belongs to the Mongols and the Turkic didn't have a common creation myth, it's this simple. Get it people.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2005 at 18:06
Does anyone know of any other shamanic/turkic elements in contemporary turkish culture?  Also, the theory of Native Americans originating from Asia, any good resources (book, film, website)? 

What percentage of our -turkish- culture from the steppes of Asia do we still have inbedded in modern turkish culture?

Any insights/ideas/sources to offer, anyone?
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  Quote Alparslan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2005 at 16:56
Originally posted by ihsan

Some weirdo 20th century Turkish statesmen decided that Ergenekon belongs to the Turks so they made us celebrate it in the Coming of the Spring festivals.

Who were those statesmen? It seems like they were influential on all around Central Asia and Turkic republics. Very interesting.

 

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  Quote Feramez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2005 at 14:13
Good source, thank you. 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2005 at 13:28

Yeah, sure :

this link is a fine Turkish source:

http://tt.baskent.edu.tr/turkmitolojisi/oguz.htm

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  Quote Feramez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2005 at 11:16
Oguzoglu, if you remember the Oguz Turkish myth may you tell it to me.  I only know the Ergenekon myth.  Thank you.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2005 at 09:26

The Oguz people have their own myths of creation, like the myth of creation from a tree and a male wolf.

But I think Ergenekon was a common myth btw Turkic people and Mongols, maybe not Oguz...

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  Quote Feramez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Mar-2005 at 15:40
I always thought this myth went along with all Turks.
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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Mar-2005 at 05:22

Why don't you like the word Ergenekon?  I was always taught that myth was for Turks as well as Mongols.  Do a lot of Turks agree with you?  Because you're the first Turk I've ever hear say that.

Ergenekon or Ergene-khun belongs to the Mongols, not to the Turks. The Turkic peoples in general didn't have a common myth like this but the Gk Trks had a similar myth which is recorded in Chinese sources. Some weirdo 20th century Turkish statesmen decided that Ergenekon belongs to the Turks so they made us celebrate it in the Coming of the Spring festivals.

Funny thing is that the Mongolian Ergene-khun or the Mongolian Creation Myth is probably a different version of the Gk Trk creation myth but after all these two are different myths and they should not be confused.

Besides, the Gk Trk creation myth belonged only to the Gk Trks, not to all the other Turkic peoples. The Gaoche, Uyghurs, Qrghz, Oghuz, etc had their own creation myths or legends like that.

And about Nevruz, it is the beginning of the new year in old Turkish 12 animals calender, and it is still celebrated.

Well actually Nevruz/Navroz/whateverthehellitis is an Iranic thing; however, what we celebrate is the Coming of the Spring festival and Nevruz is just one of the many such festivals which were and are being celebrated by countless peoples in the World. The Romans, Greeks, Chinese, Iranians, Turkics, etc etc all had their own festival and Nevruz was the Iranian one. When we Turks started contacting with the Islamic World, the name of the Turkic festival was changed to Nevruz and today the Turkic World celebrates it's festival with the name of the Iranian festival.

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  Quote Feramez Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Mar-2005 at 12:24
I believe that's what I had said.
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