Oh boy, go to school for god sakes and learn something

Vukovar was steam rolled my undereducated friend, and was not left in tact most of the buildings were left  in ruins, since u have not been their unlike ive been at that time. Tactical move? your forces calculated  would take within  days. That comment their shows that its an excuse just to win an argument in a subject u have no expirence with. The JNA was already surroned the city and was shelling it constantly with their forces steam rolling in the city. Ive seen the video and just saw it as a propaganda movie nothing more, while u have seen it in films, ive have expirenced it in real life. The only tactical decsion was in the last couple of weeks of the battle(after the major losses they had) were they desided not to operate in single file in vukovar rather to spread out with infantry surrounding the armour divisions. Which showed what a discrace it realy was.

How can it be steam rolled in 3 months? Steam rolled means it was quickly and utterly destroyed.

Yes tactical move. It is well known that the Germans requested the Croats retreat in order to gain international sympathy.

If you would have actually watched the video you wouldn’t need to lie about it and say things that were clearly explained in the video.

Oh boy another one claiming “he was there”. Whatever. You’re obviously bias because you are a Croat and you haven’t even used any sources.

Ethnic clensing? budy the serbs fled them themselves before our army had entered knin. Only the army was left to defend  the rest of the krajina. So how's that ethinc clensing. While serbs have been putting our people in consentration camps and forces 190000 croats out of the krajina.

You don’t know what you are talking about.

"CROATIA IS SAID TO OUST MANY"

by David Binder,

New York Times, Wednesday, December 8, 1993

(excerpts, quote):
Zagreb, Croatia. The government of Croatia has forced thousands of its enemies from their homes and from the country, according to the new Zagreb office of the human rights organization of Helsinki Watch.

The actions have been directed mostly against Serbs, who once constituted a sizable minority in Croatia, but also against CROATS opposed to the rule of President Franjo Tudjman, said Ivan Zvonimir Cicak, who heads Helsinki watch of Croatia.

"SINCE 1991, THE CROATIAN AUTHORITIES HAVE BLOWN UP OR RAZED 10,000 (TEN THOUSAND!) HOUSES, MOSTLY OF SERBS, BUT ALSO HOUSES OF CROATS," Mr. Cicak, who is cataloguing the abuses, said in an interview. "IN SOME CASES THEY DINAMITED HOMES WITH THE FAMILIES INSIDE. WHOLE FAMILIES WERE KILLED. Many were vounded."

[...]

...Mr. Cicak said one of the Croats who lost his home was Ante Semjar, "a writer who is a member of the PEN club." He added: "He had a big house on the island of Pag. They blew it up because he had criticized the regime."

In September a building in the coastal city of Split where Croatian dissidents planned to publish an independent newspaper called Dalmatinske Novine (Dalmatian Newspaper) was destroyed "with 100 kilograms (200+ pounds) of dynamite," Mr. Cicak said.

He said the Tudjman Government, in a statement by Foreign Minister mate Granic in May, had acknowledged the destruction of "7,000 houses" of Croatian Serbs. So far, the justice authorities have investigated about 100 (hundred) cases of dynamiting, "but there have been no prosecutions," he said.

ALTOGETHER ABOUT 280,000 (TWO HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THOUSAND) CROATIAN SERBS HAVE FLED THE COUNTRY as the result of the dynamite campaign and other measures...

(End quote) 

MEDAK POCKET SLAUGHTER
The unpunished genocide

On Thursday, September 9, 1993, Croatian Army made sudden unprovoked attack on the Serbian villages in "Medak pocket" region. The whole region, the farthest West part of Krajina Military Frontier, was Serb majority populated for at least four centuries. During WWII, at the time of existence of Hitler supported puppet Independent State of Croatia, the Medak and surrounding villages as well as nearby town of Gospic was especially hard hit by Croat fascist - Ustashi bestialities. In the small mountain village of Medak itself 861 Serbs, men, women and children were slaughtered.

Weary of the horrors of the past that did not leave one single family without casualties, Krajina Serbs fought bitterly not to be at mercy of yet another Independent State of Croatia. At the moment when resurrected Ustashi elements took over the government in Croatia and declared that they will follow their WWII chauvinist model and declare secession from Yugoslavia, Krajina people declared loyalty to the federation. With some help from the Yugoslav Federal Army the region remained under loyalist control.

In comes "International Community" which after collapse of the Soviet Union got to be under full control from Washington. They recognized Croatian independence in borders designed by Croatian Communist dictator Tito. This meant that Serbian right to exist let alone to exercise their right to control their destiny, their UN declared right for self-determination was denied.

But the Serbs were not to let the weapons down. Washington sends its diplomat Cyrus Vance to bring "peace" to the region. The plan is to fool the Serbs that America seeks non-violent, negotiated solution to the war. America needs time to equip and train its Nazi Croat proxies.

Medak and surrounding Serb villages found themselves in a pocket. The surrounding areas as well as nearby town of Gospic were already cleansed of the Serbs (and the "International Community" did not allow rare fools to try to come to their homes and property). "Medak pocket" got to be a peninsula, surrounded on three sides by Ustashi Croat territory.

The Croat attack on Medak was a test of just what the American master will tolerate. It proved that they will tolerate everything. The model of Ustashi bestiality followed by American silence will then be repeated in Western Slavonia (UNPROFOR sector "West") in May 1995, Western Krajina (UNPROFOR sectors "North" and "South" in August 1995) when entire, huge regions were cleansed of the indigenous Serb population.

The last to go was Eastern Slavonia (UNPROFOR sector "East") which was "demilitarized" (read: the Serbs were disarmed) by America and then given to the control of the Croat fascists in January 1998.

In many different aspects the case of Medak pocket slaughter is educational at least for the reason that it happened very early in the conflict before Western media succeeded to satanize one whole people through its "mass rape", "besieged Sarajevo", "concentration camps", "Srebrenica mass graves" and other Big Lie campaigns.

Medak pocket massacres prove full complicity of the Inter-Nazi-onal Community in the genocide perpetrated on the Serbian people. Medak pocket, since February 1992, was to be protected by UNPROFOR (United Nation Protection Force).

In early morning hours Croat Army shelled and then made all out attack, at the Serb villages. They were supported by tanks...

UNPROFOR stayed uninvolved. This is what they have found when they entered the disaster zone:

General Jean Cot: "I have found no sign of human or animal life in the several villages we passed today. The destruction is total, systematic and deliberate." UNPROFOR Press Release, September 19, 1993, Zagreb.

Lt. Colonel Jim Kevin (according to Reuters): "UN high officers assessed Croatian soldiers had been ordered by highest command to tear down those villages. This could have been ordered by high ranking generals only."

Ivanka Rajcevic, survivor: "The Ustashi said 'This is a Serbian village, turn it into a slaughterhouse. Slaughter everybody!.'"

Dr. Zeljko Karan, specialist of forensic medicine examines mutilated bodies and writes a report. "Blood suffusions and contusions were caused by strokes of a dull mechanical tool. [The victims] were then thrust into a fire while still alive. Many had stab wounds... It is not necessary to comment how the imprisoned were treated... The UNPROFOR representatives were present at the identification process and forensic treatment, especially at the most illustrative cases."

Second, if you didnt know that the weaponry was stationed in zagreb, slavonija, well across croatia. In  1991 we had  could have blocked the city routes, shut down oil reserves, blockades, ect just like we did in the rest of the war were we surrounded garrisons. Tudman did not allow that acording to international pressure, afraid of being not recognized. So hence we gave the weapons on a silver platter.

Why are you denying it? It is well documented that the Germans supplied Croatia even though there was an embargo. I just showed you a documentary of it. It had German markings on it. The Germans and Croatians were working together (yet again) to fight the Serbs. Show me proof that Tudman gave weaponry to the Serb JNA.

Again since the embargo was on, germans couldnt have supplied us, we went to the black market in germany in various parts of eastern europe to pay for our weapons. Second NATO did not train our troops first of all, we had thousands of  croats serving armies across the world better then the JNA, instructors, even within the JNA, and outside and got training.

But the Germans did provide help. Several journalists have covered this story. Even though there was an embargo look at how the muslims here admit and are happy that the Bosniaks got weaponry and help from other Islamic countries. To get to the point, the Embargo was a fake and only against Serbia. Your silly rant about the Croat forces serving across the world being even better then the JNA and superior instructors is a joke. You honestly sound like you are not older then 15. Your arguments don’t provide any depth.

Well, i dnt really give a dam if you believe me or not. SInce i know whats true unlike an undereducated person like you. First of all i have bad typing skills which is 90% of the problem and since im not english canadian or even american and was not born in either countries. 

I’m not English, Canadian or American nor was I born in any of those countries. And it isn’t your bad typing, your spelling, but the order of your thoughts. It shows clear signs of ignorance pertaining the subject.

Not true again, It was all croatian territory it was just seperated into kingdoms, under the hausburg rule. and far as i know it was never under serbian rule, or athority only a bunch of scare imagrants fleeing into the region.

Yes it was under Austrian rule but Croatia isn’t Austria. How does Croatia get right to rule Serb majority Krajina? And scared immigrants fleeing? More like Serbs who fought for Krajina when Croats couldn’t because they got their rears handed to them by the Turks? Serbs fought for Krajina because Croats wouldn’t/couldn’t. Even in WW2 the Ustashe tried to cleanse Krajina of all Serbs, but I guess it took all the help of the western world to finally do it.

wikipedia? youtube? thats where u get your information from ? one video? from uncredible sources were every one can tamper with it. Tisk tisk.

I posted Encyclopedia Britannica, National geographic and American military maps of ethnicities in Yugoslavia that clearly showed a Serb majority in Krajina and also the historical context of Krajina.

yes, over the years they overpopulated but does not meen it is serbian. If it's under a crown and the kingdoms it doesnt matter.

No it wasn’t “over the years they over populated” it was completely EMPTY and the Serbs were settled there to defend Europe against the Turks because the Croats couldn’t do it. And Croatia didn’t have a kingdom since the Austrians made them their servants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAZJoh_OhEs

o here's  a footage of serbs leaving the krajina even before storm. Only the army was left

That just shows Serbs fleeing. It doesn’t prove that they weren’t killed. It’s very well known and documented that this was violent. Do you want to see pictures of the victims? I can PM them to you. I won’t post them here they are way too violent.

your info proved that it was not even serbian it was just populated by serbs. Which are two diffrent things. Then you just said that kosovo then is albanian. Nazis u say? what has nazis have to do of albanian imagration into kosovo that was far before fasicam and the nazis existed. How old are you, to belive in this kind of C***

My info proved that Krajina was not part of Croatia, neither was Dalmatia or Slavonia. Mind reading it again? Yes Albanians were supporters of Kosovo and made Greater Albania with their help. I know Albanian immigration was earlier as well.

Oh then zemun and vojvodina must be croatian hungarian and german then. Since before the first world war, the serbians were only 20% of the population, while the hungarians,croatians, and germans had most of the populace.

Where is your source???

And back to the SFRJ, serbia like all other nations were under yugoslavia, so had to accept yugoslav law, a man of  a leader of one province in yugoslavia could not make those kind of decisons. So that makes it illegal. Period

I’m pretty sure Milosevic could because Voivodina and Kosovo were in Serbia. In any case it doesn’t matter what Milosevic did in Serbia, we are talking about what Alija Izetbegovic did in Bosnia. Focus.

Second, russia was under the rule of stalin. And stalin did not care of ties, he only cared of how much territory he could have control of, and no one of other nations in the USSR was allowed to be second to him.

same thing why Stalin did not join up with China's Mao. Stalin wanted his brand of communism only his kind, a no others. No matter how close they were politacly.

So what? What does this have to do with anything?

And the fact that we captured the 21 kordun korps in knin 5,000 POW's, and the fact is that we already captured and saw serb units retreating, or we wouldnt have occupied western bosina and heading into eastern bosnia.

Source?

The fact that in order for the JNA units have to conquer something, it has to be civilians and were not even basicaly good at that(3months with heavy losses). Which show's how pathetic the jNA was, even when it was listed the 4th army in europe. Someone even has to wipe their asses to win something.

It is well documented that Croatians were armed in Vukovar and were holding the civilians as human shields. UN human rights was even baffled by this. And Vukovar fell because the Croatians let it fall in order to gain sympathy.