Radovan Karadzic arrested!!!

Talk about a speedy turnaround, Al Jassas. Were you reading my mind as I typed?

I'd be grateful for more information from anyone who could provide it.

-Akolouthos

Originally posted by Al Jassas The guy was in power, he had the choice to do the right thing, regardless of if Srebrenica was "sacrificed" or not. He chose not mass kill muslims and Croats in other areas before yet he chose to do just that when he captured the town. He now reaps what he saw.   Now should other criminals be brought to justice, absolutely yes. Should they be tried, absolutely yes, were there muslims and Croats tried and found guilty? A quick scan shows that 20% of the people indicted by the ICTY were muslims or Albanians (don't know about Croats) and nearly all have been convicted and sentenced, yet unfortunately media in general and pro-serb media in particular have always played this fact down and gave to much concentration of the Serbs for various reasons.   Al-Jassas

70% of the people who died in the conflict were muslims. He is on charges other than Srebrenica like the wanton 3 year long siege of Sarajevo and daily bombardment of a civilian area as well as ethnic cleansing of people, not massacre but sack and displacement and finally running concentration camps in front of the whole world. All this was done on the territory where he was president and by his orders.

As to whether or not the global media is pro-Serb, I am not nearly informed enough to make a guess. I can, however, assure you that the U.S. media has been staunchly anti-Serb. I did follow the actual conflict (the NATO bombing campaign and what led up to it) and its immediate aftermath very closely, and can assure you that the Serbs were portrayed as barbaric proponents of genocide.

-Akolouthos

Originally posted by Seko Lastly, what does this have to do with Saddam? Big leap in twisted logic on your part!

Originally posted by Anton Originally posted by Seko Lastly, what does this have to do with Saddam? Big leap in twisted logic on your part! Karajic will be sentenced for Srebrenica case while nobody will be sentenced for recent death of many people in the wedding in Afganistan. And many other cases. Hague tribunal is criticized by many for favouring some side over anothers. Not to forget that some exceptional nations (I mean Americans obviously) do not consider themselves suitable to be subjects of this tribunal. Which also decreases its legality.

Originally posted by Akolouthos I have a question. Most of what I notice and read about the Yugoslav conflict comes via perusing the headlines and reading a snippet here and there; I don't know enough about this whole situation to participate in the discussion. That said, everything I have read with regard to people being brought to trial has been about Serbian war criminals. Now this is fine -- indeed, all war criminals must be brought to trial. My question, as a result of my ignorance of the situation, runs thus: have war criminals from other ethnic groups been prosecuted? That is to say: Is the reason I only read about the prosecution of Serbian war criminals because their trials are publicized more or is it because they are the only party being prosecuted? Grateful for any answers or information that anyone can provide. -Akolouthos

Originally posted by Akolouthos I have a question. Most of what I notice and read about the Yugoslav conflict comes via perusing the headlines and reading a snippet here and there; I don't know enough about this whole situation to participate in the discussion. That said, everything I have read with regard to people being brought to trial has been about Serbian war criminals. Now this is fine -- indeed, all war criminals must be brought to trial. My question, as a result of my ignorance of the situation, runs thus: have war criminals from other ethnic groups been prosecuted? That is to say: Is the reason I only read about the prosecution of Serbian war criminals because their trials are publicized more or is it because they are the only party being prosecuted? Grateful for any answers or information that anyone can provide. -Akolouthos

Of course, there are Croatian, Bosniac and Albanian war criminals, including already convicted:

* Rahim Ademi, Croatian Albanian nationalist who fought in the infamous Operation Medak Pocket in which Krajina Serbs were brutally ethnically cleansed, acquitted for not being able to connect to the crime,
* Mehmed Alagic, Bosniac Mujahadeen from Central Bosnia and Herzegovina, died before trial
* Bosnian Croat Zlatko Aleksovski sentenced to 7 years of prison for mistreatment of Bosnian Muslim prisoners in Lasva Valley; granted early release
* Stipo Alilovic, Bosnian Croat that murdered innocent Bosnian Muslims in the Lasva Valley, died before trial
* Haradin Bala, Kosovo Albanian sentenced to 13 years for killing innocent Serbs and non-loyal Albanians in the KLA Llapushnic camp
* Idriz Balaj, Kosovo Albanian accused for rape, murder and persecution of Serbs and others in western Kosovo, acquitted, but still under other investigations
* Tihomir Blaskic, Bosnian Croat Army general sentenced to 9 years for ethnic cleansing of Bosnian Muslims in Lasva Valley, particularly the Ahmixi massacre; granted early release
* Janko Bobetko, Croatian Army Chief of Staff, indicted for being part of a joint criminal enterprise to expel the Serbs from Croatia, in particular ethnic cleansing of Serbs in Operation Medak Pocket, refused to hand himself over until death
* Ljube Boskoski, Macedonian Minister of Interior indicted for the overeccessive force against ethnic Albanians in Ljuboten, acquitted
* Lahi Bahrimaj, Kosovo Albanian sentenced to 6 years for his role in harassment, abuse, expelling, capture, imprisonment, murder, and torture of Serbian and Romany Egyptian civilians from the villages surrounding the Glodjane region, released after 3
* Miroslav Bralo, Bosnian Croat military policemen sentenced to 20 years for ethnic cleansing of Bosnian Muslims
* Mario Cerkez, Bosnian Croat brigade commander sentenced to 6 years for the offensive in the Lasva Valley against the Bosnian Muslims
* Ivan Cermak, Croatian General currently on trial for a joint criminal enterprise to expel the Serb population from Croatia, by force, fear or threat of force, persecution, forced displacement, transfer and deportation, appropriation and destruction of property
* Valentic Coric, Bosnian Croat political leader and head of Army, currently on trial charged for displacing non-Croats and attempting to create a Greater Croatia by use of force
* Zejnil Delalic, Bosnian Moslem commander indicted for murder and rape of Serb detainees at the Celebici prison camp, acquitted
* Hazim Delic, Bosnian Muslim prison camp commander indicted for murder and rape of Serb detainees and sentenced to 18 years
* Rasim Delic, willingly permitting Mujahadeens to commit atrocities (murder, rape, torture) against Serb detainees and civilians, trial
* Drazen Erdemovic, Serbs' Croat sentenced to 5 years for murdering Bosnian Muslim men and boys in the Srebrenica massacre
* Anto Furundzija, Bosnian Croat commander sentenced to 10 years for torturing a Bosnian Muslim civilian
* Ante Gotovina, Croatian General on trial for a joint criminal enterprise to expel the Krajina Serb populace from Croatia
* Enver Hadzihasanovic, Bosnian Muslim brigadier general sentenced to 3 and a half years
for ethnic cleansing of Croats in central Bosnia
* Sefer Halilovic, Bosnian Muslim General indicted for massacres of Croats in two villages, acquitted
* Ramush Haradinaj, Kosovo Albanian KLA commander (current Prime Minister) under which ethnic cleansing of Serbs and other non-Albanians and inhumane treatment of unloyal Albanians occurred, acquitted for lack of evidence
* Drago Josipovic, Bosnian Croat fighter sentenced to 12 years for ethnic cleansing of Bosnian Muslims in the Lasva Valley
* Marinko Katava, Bosnian Croat from the atrocities in offensive against Bosnian Muslims in Central Bosnia, indictment withdrawn
* Dario Kordic, Bosnian Croat military commander, sentenced to 25 years for war crimes in Lasva Valley against Bosnian Muslims
* Amir Kubura, Bosnian Muslim commander sentenced to 2 years for murder and destruction of Croats in central Bosnia
* Mirjan Kupreskic, Bosnian Croat in Lasva Valley massacres against Bosnian Muslims, sentenced but acquitted on appeal
* Vlatko Kupreskic, Bosnian Croat in Lasva Valley massacres against Bosnian Muslims, sentenced but acquitted on appeal
* Zoran Kupreskic, Bosnian Croat in Lasva Valley massacres against Bosnian Muslims, sentenced but acquitted on appeal
* Esad Landzo, Bosnian Muslim Celebici prison camp guard sentenced to 15 years for crimes against innocent Serb civilians
* Fatmir Limaj, Kosovo Albanian KLA strongman (current Minister for Transport and Telecommunication) indicted for persecuting Serbs and non-Albanians and non-loyal Albanians in western Kosovo, acquitted, but an appeal still in process
* Pasko Ljubicic, Bosnian Croat military policemen, on trial for crimes against Bosnian Muslims in Lasva Valley
* Zoran Marinic, indicted for murder of Bosnian Muslim civilians, indictment withdrawn
* Mladen Markac, Croatian Army General on trial for ethnic cleansing of Krajina's Serbs and a joint criminal enterprise to remove the Serb populace from Croatia
* Vinko Martinovic, Bosnian Croat soldier sentenced to 20 years for atrocities against Bosnian Muslims in Herzegovina
* Zdravko Mucic, Bosnian Croat sentenced to 9 years for murder and torture of Serbs in the Celebici prison camp, early release
* Agim Murtezi, Kosovo Albanian indicted for murder of Serbs, non-Albanians in general and Albanians not loyal, acquitted
* Isak Musliu, Kosovo Albanian indicted for murder of Serbs, non-Albanians in general and Albanians not loyal, acquitted but investigations still present
* Mladen Naletilic, Bosnian Croat paramilitary commander sentenced to 18 years for atrocities against Bosnian Muslims in Herzegovina
* Mirko Norac, Croatian commander sentenced to 12 years for conducting a massacre of Serb civilians in Gospic and to 7 years for the Operation Medak Pocket and ethnic cleansing that occurred in it
* Naser Oric, Bosnian Muslim commander indicted for ethnic cleansing of Serbs in eastern Bosnia, sentenced to 2 years, acquitted after appeal
* Dragan Papic, Bosnian Croat in Lasva Valley massacres against Bosnian Muslims, sentenced but acquitted on appeal
* Milivoj Petkovic, Bosnian Croat Chief Commander on trial for atrocities against Bosnian Muslims in the Bosnian war
* Slobodan Praljak, Bosnian Croat political leader on trial
* Jadranko Prlic, Bosnian Croat leader on trial
* Berislav Pusic, Bosnian Croat officer on trial for ethnic cleansing of Bosnian Muslims
* Pero Skopljak, Bosnian Croat Chief of Police, indictment withdrawn
* Bruno Stojic, Bosnian Croat political leader on trial for ethnic cleansing of non-Croats
* Ivan Santic, Bosnian Croat mayor of Vitez, indictment withdrawn

I should note that there are three persons who were no doubt planned to be indicted, but all of them died before it was released:
* Franjo Tudjman, Croatia's President indicted for atrocities against Krajina Serbs and for a joint criminal enterprise to drive the Serb populace from Croatia
* Gojko Susak, Croatia's Minister of Interior indicted for atrocities against Krajina Serbs and for a joint criminal enterprise to drive the Serb populace from Croatia
* Zvonimir Cervenko, Croatian Chief of Main Staff of the Croatian Army in Operation Storm in which most Serbs were driven out from Croatia
* an indictment was also in preparation for Alija Izetbegovic President of Bosnia and Herzeogovina

And there are a number of people tried in local courts:
* Branimir Glavas, Croatian MP and "neo-Ustasha" commander currently on trial for persecuting Serbs in Slavonia
* Fikret Abdic, Western Bosnian Muslim leader, Croatian courts sentenced him to 20 years for war crimes


Edited by Yugoslav - 23-Jul-2008 at 22:29

Originally posted by Al Jassas Hello to you all   Sorry Ako, I thought I posted the list of indictees but thanks for Anton who posted first.   As for you Carpathian, I have nothing to say more than what I said in the kosovo thread.   You chose to blind yourself of solid facts and accepted leftist loonies and Orthodox extremists point of view. I gave a 20 page long indictment and this doesn't suffice you?   My advice to you, Open up your mind, If the Serbs already accept the fact that most of the atrocities were committed by them and agree that Mladic and Karazdic were criminals, why the hell you defend them so much and deny the obvious, televsion and radio hasn't been invented after the war you know.   AL-Jassas

its a false logic in thinking that becuase others are guilty that there is no justice with this guys capture. He was a criminal and should face his just deserves. I agree it wont be a 'fair' trail, though most of the victims of serb excess didnt excatly receive one either. I applued his capture, and i will applued the pursut of criminals on all sides.