"CHINA'S 'SMILING ANGEL IN WHEELCHAIR' Olympics

Originally posted by Killabee Originally posted by Roberts The same who are Pro-Tibetan also opposed US invasion in Iraq. There were big protests in London and Paris. Don't you remember? They don't overlap with each other. For example, US congressmen Tom Lantos , Hillary Clinton, John Mccain , German Chancellor Angela Merkel  supported the invasion of Iraq . Lantos was a well known supporter of Free Tibet movement before his death. Merkel, Mccain ,Hillary called for boycott of Chinese Olympic game.

Originally posted by Temujin who ever said disabled people cannot be Nazis just because they are disabled?

Originally posted by ulrich von hutten Originally posted by Killabee Originally posted by Roberts The same who are Pro-Tibetan also opposed US invasion in Iraq. There were big protests in London and Paris. Don't you remember? They don't overlap with each other. For example, US congressmen Tom Lantos , Hillary Clinton, John Mccain , German Chancellor Angela Merkel  supported the invasion of Iraq . Lantos was a well known supporter of Free Tibet movement before his death. Merkel, Mccain ,Hillary called for boycott of Chinese Olympic game. Must correct you, at the beginning of the invasion of the Iraq Gerhard Schr�der was the german chancellor, and he and his government didn't took  part at this act of breach of international law.

What I meant was  Merkel supported Iraqi Invasion when she was still in Bundestag. It will be too lengthy for me to put "former CDU chairman and current German Chancellor".

Can I make a simple point here? My father has worked with/around disabled people all his life, and I myself worked in a mixed ability (or any other pc name you wish to construct) workplace all last summer. I cannot, judging by my own experience, see why there has been such an uproar surrounding this particular part of the torch relay. Jin Jing, I trust does not wake up every morning feeling like a victim, or preparing herself to be treated like one. So what people, she is in a wheelchair and she was confronted by an individual who tried to take the torch off her. She resisted, like anyone else would, only to return home to cheers of 'HOW BRAVE' and 'POOR GIRL'. At the deepest level, whether meant it or not, such sentiments serve to patronise disabled people, and refuse them the right to be treated like normal citizens.

Originally posted by Seko Where are our peace loving activitsts on this forum? C'mon guys you stood up against those pesky muslims over cartoons. Why don't you speak up against those pesky mobsters who attacked the handicapped Chinese girl over the olympic torch! You're not being selective are you? That is so ignoble. Freedom of carrying the torch needs you.

Originally posted by snowybeagle No one, in this thread, until *you* brought it up.   Do you have any reason to think that Jin Jing, the subject of this thread, is a Nazi, or otherwise deserves to be assaulted the way she was?

Dolphin pretty much sumed it up for me: disabled people = normal people. that means no special treatment whatsoever. she obviously only served as a tearjerker to make the Tibet protesters look evil. i'm congratulating them for treating her no different than a non-disabled athlete!

Originally posted by Killabee Well Said, snowybeagle. Is there any reason why you, Temujin (I was surprised the mass murderer name is used in here. Perhaps names Adolf Hitler or Hideki Tojo should be allowed too)  liken Jin Jing to Nazi? Is it just because she is a ill-fated Chinese and she represents the evil regime, that's why you, Temujin, think she must be behind the brutal crackdown of Tibetan, deserve to be paid back by those peaceful Tibetan?

of course killerbee is a peacefull harmonious username... other than Temujin, i also like Tem�r (tamerlane) who was incidentally disabled himself! BTW Temujin was no mass-murder, unless you want to get into a discussion about chairman Mao here...


Edited by Temujin - 15-Apr-2008 at 19:37

You miss the point my friend. What difference does it make that she is Chinese? It is not ok to attack a wheelchair bound person, just as it is not ok to attack a non-wheelchair bound person. The problem lies in differenciating between the two people, as if they were different breeds. I have confidence that I have quite developed and mature attitudes towards disabled people, and to make a distinction between the two is to manufacture a gap of human ability and mindset that is not there. Just my opinion. I'll elaborate in the morning.

Eh Killabee, the "buffoon",comment was out of line.

Originally posted by Temujin Dolphin pretty much sumed it up for me: disabled people = normal people. that means no special treatment whatsoever. she obviously only served as a tearjerker to make the Tibet protesters look evil. i'm congratulating them for treating her no different than a non-disabled athlete!

Originally posted by Spartakus Well, i can reply to you diplomatically, it was not the girl they attacked, but the torch that happened to be in her hand. You see, if they saw her in the street, without any torch, they would not attack her.