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    Posted: 29-Mar-2008 at 18:02
Originally posted by Sparten

Again, Parnell, King John, and Super Goat, seem to find thing other than the call for children to be hanged as objectionable.


I don't believe I ever said I condoned the Rabbi's call what I said was he has a right to say it, just like other religious leaders have the right to say what they think. Please point out to me where I explicitly said that I either condone the hanging of children or even implied such an idea. I find the suggestion of hanging children for things their fathers did to be incredibly objectionable. I also think that the comments the Rabbi made came from a place of anger, frustration, and grief over the situation in the M.E. He has a right to say what he wants/believes.

Again I, and others, ask where are these sentiments on AE? BTW don't put words in my mouth that I never said.
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Posts: 952 		  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Mar-2008 at 14:28
Couldn't this Rabbi and Muslim countries come to mutually benficial deal?
 
Only give him girls that have been victims of rape, he hangs them.
 
win/win
 
 
The thing I find intriguing about this is not that a newspaper managed to find a crank to quote. That's easy. Every country has cranks, every newspaper has slow news days and all journalists are lazy. What's amazing it takes years of training to become a Rabbi.
 
So scientificallty speaking, this conclusively proves training as a Rabbi in no way improves you as an individual. So why bother?
 
 
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Posts: 1409 		  Quote Parnell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Mar-2008 at 14:28
Of course I completely reject. What right thinking man wouldn't? What I strongly object to, and something which you haven't been able to prove, is that such attitudes exist on Allempires, something which I don't believe for a second.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Mar-2008 at 14:13

And I can add your presumptions to the list of things I am not particularly impressed with. I never said anything about "westerners" at all, or easteners or northerners or southerners you are merely putting words in my mouth. I merely noted that you and two others had commented on things other than the rabbis suggestion, which I found rather strange, after all it is a controversial suggestion, it is reasonable to presume that most people would have an opinion on that, one way or another. I don't know whether you are against the suggestion...............or you are for it. You have made no comment on it either way, the most recent being "That suggestion is in my eyes too objectionable to begin to even think about refuting" which is once again gives no indication as to your opinion, rather accuses me of a suggestion which I did not make.

 
Shall I put you down as "undecided"? Not wishing to express your opinion is your right also.
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Posts: 1409 		  Quote Parnell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Mar-2008 at 13:52
You suggested we (By which I presume you mean the big bad westerners who defend the cartoons) have opinions that somehow support the hanging of Arab children. That suggestion is in my eyes too objectionable to begin to even think about refuting. I know your not Arab BTW.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Mar-2008 at 13:18

Why would I have a persecution complex when I am not an Arab. You can;t being yourself to condemn call for little children to be hanged. Well holding such an opinion or not holding one is your right as is it mine to say that I feel those who justify it as being in the wrong.

 

Piss off and stop acting like a troll.

My advise, save your energy. I am supremely disinterested in your analogies and not particulary impressed by your command of language.
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Posts: 1409 		  Quote Parnell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Mar-2008 at 12:49
PS- Get over the persecution complex.
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Piss off and stop acting like a troll.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Mar-2008 at 06:04
Again, Parnell, King John, and Super Goat, seem to find thing other than the call for children to be hanged as objectionable.
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Posts: 180 		  Quote Super Goat (^_^) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Mar-2008 at 05:56
Today, they have forgotten the meaning of 'deterrence force'. The IDF's capacity for deterrence is gone.


Yea.....looks like he missed the 2 weeks before when 150 died from shelling in gaza.
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Posts: 1366 		  Quote King John Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Mar-2008 at 00:43
Originally posted by Al Jassas

The guy is from the official establishment, he called for settlers, that is indivisualIsraeli citizens who live on stolen Palestinian property, to take arms, is this what you were looking for King John?

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I'm sorry Al-Jassas, but where in that article/editorial does the Rabbi call for individual citizens to take up arms? I have read it and re-read it and the only time he mentions individual action is to say: "I'm NOT talking about individual people in particular, I'm talking about the state," Eliyahu wrote. "[The state] has to pain them to the point where they scream 'Enough,' to the point where they fall flat on their face and scream 'help.' Not for the sake of satisfying the need for revenge but for the purposes of deterrence."

Could you provide a cite from the article/editorial above where Eliyahu explicitily calls for individual action? Where does he talk about settlers taking arms, in this article?

What political position does Rabbi Eliyahu hold in the Israeli government?
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Posts: 1409 		  Quote Parnell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 22:16
Originally posted by Sparten

You have'nt read the cartoon thread have you? Enough sentiments to go around from all angles. And by the way, that sentence was what you found most objectionalble from in the whole post?
 
I was heavily involved in the cartoon thread, I even posted the cartoon in the thread before it was taken down. From what I remember the conversation amounted to; 'I hate the cartoons, they mock me and my people' and the rebuttal was mainly, 'they are freaking cartoons. Grow a pair and get over it'.
 
Don't remember anyone advocating the murder of children, Arab or otherwise so quit spouting that drivel.


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Posts: 1366 		  Quote King John Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 21:20
Originally posted by Sparten

In other word he is right to call for hanging children for being Arabs, or what there parents allegedly did. Even more interesting. And yes, calling for the state to do it makes it so much better.

QED.



Who said he was right, I didn't. I said he has a right to say it. There is a big difference between having a right to say something and saying something right.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 19:43

read post no 6.
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Reuters
Israeli official warns Palestinians of "shoah"
 
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 19:17
No, no come on Al Jassas, its only Arab Children after all.
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Posts: 1810 		  Quote Al Jassas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 19:12
The guy is from the official establishment, he called for settlers, that is indivisual Israeli citizens who live on stolen Palestinian property, to take arms, is this what you were looking for King John?
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 17:48
In other word he is right to call for hanging children for being Arabs, or what there parents allegedly did. Even more interesting. And yes, calling for the state to do it makes it so much better.
 
QED.
 
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Posts: 1366 		  Quote King John Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 17:26
He has a right to say it just like the Imams do. He doesn't have the right to go out and kill people. Also he is urging the STATE to take revenge not individuals, that's the big difference between the Rabbi and the Imam.

I have read the cartoon thread, Sparten, and I pose the same question as Parnell: where is this sentiment here (on AE)? I haven't seen anybody even imply that killing arabs or muslims is ok. In fact I haven't seen anybody condone killing on this site.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2008 at 17:12
You have'nt read the cartoon thread have you? Enough sentiments to go around from all angles. And by the way, that sentence was what you found most objectionalble from in the whole post?
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