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    Posted: 04-Mar-2008 at 19:31
Originally posted by Dolphin

Just imagine a cross behind him and then you've got some controversy..
 
Dolphin, tut, tut!  No saying "cross."  Tongue
 
 
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  Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Mar-2008 at 04:47
Well if you want to mess with the heavy weight boxing champion that's up to you.

Wiki should put the images in a separate page; they basically, have nothing to do with Muhammed, but a lot to do with Irani culture 500 years ago.
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  Quote Reginmund Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Mar-2008 at 12:57
Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

Well if you want to mess with the heavy weight boxing champion that's up to you.

Wiki should put the images in a separate page; they basically, have nothing to do with Muhammed, but a lot to do with Irani culture 500 years ago.


That doesn't make sense unless you are a Muslim. In most of the biographical articles you will find depictions of the person in question, even if these depictions are pure guesswork.ThepicturesshouldbefeaturedinboththearticleonMuhammedand the article on Iranian art.




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  Quote pikeshot1600 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Mar-2008 at 22:34
It seems that the Shia have (or have had) less problem with the depiction of The Prophet than other Moslems.  I can't pretend to any expertise here, but the Persians don't seem to have been that concerned by visual representations of Mohammed.
 
What is the 21st century problem with representaions of an historical figure of whose appearance no one has any idea?  The controversy lends itself to stupidity, illogic and superstition.  More bad press for Islam.
 
  
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  Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Mar-2008 at 22:45
Originally posted by Reginmund


That doesn't make sense unless you are a Muslim. In most of the biographical articles you will find depictions of the person in question, even if these depictions are pure guesswork. The pictures should be featured in both the article on Muhammed and the article on Iranian art.

That is historically inaccurate and misleading on Wiki's behalf. Don't tell me you support the deliberate falsification of history.
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  Quote Theodore Felix Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Mar-2008 at 22:51
Wikipedia has entries on Muhammad in several dozen languages. A quick survey found images of the Prophet on the Dutch, German, French, Spanish and Russian versions, but not on the Arabic, Turkish, Chinese, Albanian, Urdu or Bahasa Indonesia versions.


Having just done a quick run through of the Albanian bio of Muhammed, it seems nothing more than a copy and paste of parts of the Quran.

Alb wiki is pathetic on these subjects though so its not surprising.
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  Quote JanusRook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Mar-2008 at 07:35

That is historically inaccurate and misleading on Wiki's behalf.


Have you even seen the Muhammad article?

When you first grace it there is no pictures of Muhammad, there is only his name in Calligraphy.

As you scroll down the first picture you see of Muhammad is with a veiled face, and a caption explaining that this is common practice in Islamic art.

There are three more depictions of Muhammad, one with a veil and the other's without, in it they are clearly defined as Persian made artworks.

Towards the bottom of the article after the Biographical accounts, is a mention of the controversy of Depictions of Muhammad that links you to wiki's article on that.

So how is any of that historically inaccurate and misleading when you have a total of 4 depictions of muhammad, 2 are veiled and 2 are listed as Persian, and you have to scroll down the page for a bit to reach them?
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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Mar-2008 at 08:20

Well, I think this is a big improvement. At past, Some guys depicted Muhammet as terrorist or evil.

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  Quote Spartakus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Mar-2008 at 08:37
Here we go again.
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  Quote Reginmund Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Mar-2008 at 17:59
Originally posted by Omar al Hashim

That is historically inaccurate and misleading on Wiki's behalf. Don't tell me you support the deliberate falsification of history.


I'm not sure whether you are being ironic here, but in any case it's not falsifacation as long asitisstatedthatthepictureisnotacontemporaryportraitbutrepresentsartisticlicense
rather than truth. You will find this in many biographical articles on Wiki of famous menandwomen of whom we have no depiction, and I don't see any problem with it.
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  Quote Gharanai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2008 at 08:07
Tolerance towards a religion is required not only from Muslims but also from followers of all other regions.
I don't see any religion in the world which states to dishonor the other religion to get prosperity, but every religion states to honor and respect others religions and opinions.
So then why are Muslims of the world known as extremists, isn't this an act of extremism, while you are imposing something which hurts someone else, if it is not then why was Taleban and all other Shariya implementers, are called extremists???
If they are extremists and have to be destroied then so shall be this act of extremism.
I persoanaly am a regular user of Wikipedia and I very much appreciate the work of Mr. Wales in building such a great encyclopedia, and would be glad to see his concern in the case and understand emotions of Millions of Muslims.


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  Quote Richard XIII Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2008 at 09:12
So we must be tolerant with suicide bombers, we must accept as normality public executions (Taleban) and killing of a wife for adultery (Shariya) because of your emotions?


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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2008 at 09:15
Ethic is relative.
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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2008 at 09:18
By the way, Sucide bombing has no relation with islamic theory. It is a war method used by muslims. And as we both know, using airplane is better war method.
 
I am sure If this guys have airplanes, They will use it instead of suicide bombing.
 


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  Quote Parnell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2008 at 11:25

while you are imposing something which hurts someone else


You have to remember Europe has around 450 million INDIVIDUALS. We do not act as one bloc, and we are not in some massive conspiracy to insult Islam.
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  Quote Gharanai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2008 at 12:06
Originally posted by Richard XIII

So we must be tolerant with suicide bombers, we must accept as normality public executions (Taleban) and killing of a wife for adultery (Shariya) because of your emotions?

 
Dear Richard,
No you shouldn't tolerate Suicide Bombers instead stand against your government for invading others nations, you have a problem with people execution (done by Taleban) we have problem with your public SEX (done in most part of west), you have a problem with killing women for adultery (Shariya) first of all if you a christian and know a bit about your religion it's also there no just Shariya, second WHAT about we having problem with you (west, for sure not enitre west) bombarding innocent lives for doing nothing (at least those women killed has a case to be killed [ADULTERY, which is also forbiden in Christianity, Jewism, Hindusim, Sikhism and many other religions]) and than just putting an apology for the entire mass killing.
 
No dear it's not done that way IF YOU ARE CAPABLE OF TOLERATING OTHERS THEN ASK US TO TOLERATE ELSE SUFFER!
 
Sorry to other readers for being a bit harsh but what Richard quoted required such a reply.
 


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  Quote Gharanai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2008 at 12:11
Originally posted by Parnell


while you are imposing something which hurts someone else


You have to remember Europe has around 450 million INDIVIDUALS. We do not act as one bloc, and we are not in some massive conspiracy to insult Islam.
 
Dear Parnell,
Everyone knows that every community in the world has GOOD and BAD and it's upon us the human to differ and judge good with bad.
So I and many other muslims don't blame the entire Europe or N.America for some bad actions done by some small group of people, and same shall be your sense of thinking and shall never count Terrorism a Part of a religion (Islam), I mean for sure you know that everyone in the world has the right to live free and to get that status he may go to any extend some chose PEN and some WEAPON.
 


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  Quote Reginmund Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2008 at 12:16
Originally posted by Gharanai

Tolerance towards a religion is required not only from Muslims but also from followers of all other regions.
I don't see any religion in the world which states to dishonor the other religion to get prosperity, but every religion states to honor and respect others religions and opinions.
 
If you really mean this then you should have no problem respecting the POV of non-Muslim students of Islamic history who might be interested in having access to these pictures, as like it or not they are a part of the Islamic cultural heritage and studying them involves no breach of doctrine for non-Muslims or Muslims tolerant of depictions of Muhammed.
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  Quote Parnell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2008 at 13:02
Hi Gharani,

Only the most ignorant consider suicide bombings a teaching of Islam - It started as a tactic in the Iran-Iraq war I believe, a conflict between two Islamic countries, and therein lies the confusion.

Were you consider public sex just as bad as executing women for 'sleeping around' is where our two societies fundamentally differ. Your society considers executing a student for spreading an Iranian Woman's rights leaflet, while ours considers speaking your mind an important part of growing up. Who's society will stand the test of time will be a big question for the future, but answer this for me - who's society has a better standard of living, more food to eat, more things to do for fun and dramatically better artwork, literature and overall culture? I'm pretty sure its not the one that kills gays, women and ordinary people for what they believe.
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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2008 at 13:39
who's society has a better standard of living, more food to eat, more things to do for fun and dramatically better artwork, literature and overall culture? I'm pretty sure its not the one that kills gays, women and ordinary people for what they believe.
 
 
and which one is more happy?
 
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