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Who are main regional powers ? What makes them so?

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    Posted: 07-Dec-2007 at 16:28
This may sound a little strange, but i have been coming to this forum ever since 2003-2004, when it was still relatively new. Finally did take the plunge on becoming a member in december of 2006. And had a hard time in getting myself going on posting here, until as of recent!
 
I still remember the animosity between the two nationalities, and didn't wish too enflame the sensibilities of the two groups. Thus... the less said, the better it is for everyone! Wink
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^ You must thank the stringent staff policies and astute mods for diminishing ethnic flame wars for the positive change of events you have noticed. It was not always that way before. Those who stayed with us are the cream of the crop. Most of the riff raff do not like our civil ways. Who would have thought that Greek-Turk animosity would go unnoticed in an international forum? Smile

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  Quote Flipper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 11:50
Originally posted by Panther

 
Of course, one certainly cannot forget Turkey and Greece either! Then again, seeing how many forumer's come here from both of those countries, that is a major can of worms i prefer not too touch!
 


I don't think you need to worry. From what I have seen under the 20 months i've been here, there was never a conflict between these two forum members groups. There has been a good relation which also depicts the situation between ordinary people from both countries.. Only one exception of a user that was taken care immediately by the moderators.


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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Nov-2007 at 00:14
I don't think it would be because there is a common enemy of all middle eastern countries and has been for the last 200 years.  If these Arabs would follow Arab interests instead of being played off against Iran then there is nothing to worry about since Iran is itself a large and powerful country anyway, making war highly undesirable.
 
In addition,  in no one province do Arabs actually constitute a majority, More than half of Khuzistan is actually Lor/Bakhtiari and urban Persian.  One pan Arabist leader did try to play the fact that there are Iranian Arabs against Iran and failed miserably.  His first name began with s and ended with m.
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Originally posted by Zagros

I am actually indifferent to pan-Arabism, in fact I would prefer it if Arabs united under one state on Arab land instead of having such bickering, cowardly subservient leaders - they are a shame unto their heritage. 

If Arabs were to unite around the idea of Arab nationalism into one single state, would that not be a threat to Iran, given that there is an Arab minority inside its borders?

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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 16:43
No, I asked you question Andrew, what is so great about Pan-Arabism? How has it shaped the Arab world? what has it done for Arabs? what current influence does it have?  Seriously, if it is a source of power for Egypt you must give some perspective on how it is so instead of saying it is so and answering questions with questions.
 
I am actually indifferent to pan-Arabism, in fact I would prefer it if Arabs united under one state on Arab land instead of having such bickering, cowardly subservient leaders - they are a shame unto their heritage. 
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  Quote winningstad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 14:16
In Europe if I had to choose one, its France.
But thats kind of cosmetic, though, because the most important power in Europe since WW2 is the France-German axis. But in that one I guess France have been the most influental, due to WW2. Anyway, Merkel seems like good states-woman, and Im really excited to see how the Merkel-Zarko axis play out.
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  Quote andrew Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Nov-2007 at 01:22
Originally posted by Zagros

What's Pan-Arabism in fact done for the Arabs and exactly has it empowered Egypt?  It is an ideology and it has no centre of power and has no power projection.  And when the leader of Hezbollah is more popular than good ol' Hosni in Cairo, then that speaks volumes in itself for pan-Arabism.
 
Pan-Arabism was started by Nasser who opposed the West and later dispelled by Sadat and Hosni who supported the West but the movement is still alive among its people.
 
And Zagros I do not mean to be rude or antagonize you but is your belief in this Pan-Arabism have something to do with your Persian heritage?
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Nov-2007 at 17:19
What's Pan-Arabism in fact done for the Arabs and exactly has it empowered Egypt?  It is an ideology and it has no centre of power and has no power projection.  And when the leader of Hezbollah is more popular than good ol' Hosni in Cairo, then that speaks volumes in itself for pan-Arabism.

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  Quote LuckyNomad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Nov-2007 at 03:41
Originally posted by Paul

 
Also in Africa, isn't there a French saying. France is the most powerful country in Africa........... Ask Gadaffi.
 
If you go by this reckoning, which I did not use for this question, Then the US is considered to be the most powerful country in North East Asia, Europe, and The Middle East. But for this discussion we seem to be talking about powers that geographically located in a region.
Though I agree that France tends to play a large role in Africa.
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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Nov-2007 at 03:10
Surely everyone is missing the point. The most powerful regional power in Europe is the EU.
 
Also in Africa, isn't there a French saying. France is the most powerful country in Africa........... Ask Gadaffi.
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  Quote andrew Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Nov-2007 at 02:25
Originally posted by Feanor

andrew - is the chief military leader of the Middle East.

How? What is your proof? According to the source you provided, both Turkey (8th) and Iran (16th) are stronger than Egypt (17th).

Well, of course Egypt would be the strongest if you exclude them, but then again it can be the strongest in the world if you exclude first sixteen countries.

andrew - bridges the gap between the Middle East and Europe.

Ah, that's the most common definition for Turkey. I would say Turkey is not Mideastern in some ways as well, but you are going too far. It's not Germany or France.

 
Feanor, I'm Turkish and Egyptian and I must say culturally and geographically Turkey shares almost nothing besides history and religion with the Middle East. They are both on divergent paths and and pretty soon Turkey may be a part of the EU. Most Turks identify themselves different from Arabs and other Middle Eastern peoples. They have practically no connection or they are severed to other Middle East nations.
 
And I understand Turkey's not exactly European either but it is becoming more European while the Middle East is becoming more anti-Western and radically so.
 
Besides, Egypt is stronger militarily if you compare it to Iran. I don't know if you have but if you do compare it then to Turkey and you will see what I'm talking about. Egypt is also planned to mass modernize its army within a few years.


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  Quote Lmprs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Nov-2007 at 23:59
andrew - is the chief military leader of the Middle East.

How? What is your proof? According to the source you provided, both Turkey (8th) and Iran (16th) are stronger than Egypt (17th).

Well, of course Egypt would be the strongest if you exclude them, but then again it can be the strongest in the world if you exclude first sixteen countries.

andrew - bridges the gap between the Middle East and Europe.

Ah, that's the most common definition for Turkey. I would say Turkey is not Mideastern in some ways as well, but you are going too far. It's not Germany or France.

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  Quote Andy72090 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Nov-2007 at 23:30

The Egyptian military is probably the most superior in the Middle East.

With proper air defence, they could probably over run Israel in a matter of weeks, with over 1,000 of these babies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams
 
Their air force also has been greatly improved and updated since the cold war era. With over 200 F-16's, they are the fourth largest operator of the aircraft in the world.
 
Israels existence is guaranteed only through their air force, and if the Egyptian military can stop it, then they're set to be THE regional power of the Middle East.
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  Quote andrew Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Nov-2007 at 20:33
Originally posted by Zagros

Next question: How?

 
It basically created Pan-Arabism and is the chief military leader of the Middle East. It is also, probably as of now, the most stable nation in the Middle East and bridges the gap between the Middle East and Europe.
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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Nov-2007 at 13:22

Next question: How?

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  Quote andrew Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Nov-2007 at 11:43
Originally posted by Zagros

What aspect of the ME does Egypt dominate?

 
Military and politics.
 
Originally posted by Feanor

Make up your mind man!
 
I said immediate Middle East not the entire geo-political region, the core of it which would not inlcude Turkey.


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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Nov-2007 at 23:55

What aspect of the ME does Egypt dominate?

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  Quote Lmprs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Nov-2007 at 21:56
Egypt dominates the Middle East. Turkey and Iran rival it...
Turkey and Egypt's army are very close in terms of military power rankings with Turkey get the slight advantage but...
Egypt is 17th in terms of military rankings and Turkey is 8th.
...but Turkey isn't really considered part of the Middle East though.

Make up your mind man!

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  Quote andrew Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Nov-2007 at 21:10
Originally posted by kurt

It's amazing that India hasn't been mentioned once. With a population their size one might even say they could afford a nuclear war.
 
Andrew, how big is the Egyptian military and where do they get their equipment from?
 
I believe Egypt's army has some around 300,000 active troops and 400,000 man power reserves. (Rough estimates.) The big advantage we have over Turkey is the navy and the airforce this can also be said for Iran.
 
Egypt is 17th in terms of military rankings and Turkey is 8th.
 
Turkey spends a ton on foreign equipment and on the military much moreso than Egypt does.
 
 
As you can see, Egypt is a major power just behind Turkey in the Middle East but Turkey isn't really considered part of the Middle East though.
 
EDIT: Also Egypt is remodeling their military to make it more up to date so this should change.


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