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    Posted: 23-Feb-2005 at 17:50

FROM ASIA TIMES Feb 23rd, 2005.

The accord between the United States and Japan calling for strengthened bilateral military and security ties - ties already reinforced by China's military buildup, North Korea's nuclear crisis, and the global threat of terrorism - marks the evolution of the US-Japan relationship and signals a critical historic phase in the early 21st century. With possible flashpoints ranging from the Middle East to Northeast Asia, the US global military transformation - under fire from many quarters - is transforming Japan itself into a reliable and unswerving "Britain of the Far East".

Britain is the United States' closest ally in the Western Hemisphere, and the US wants Japan to become the Asian equivalent of the United Kingdom in the Eastern Hemisphere. The US is currently redeploying and transforming its military to expand its military operations in the so-called "arc of instability" stretching from Northeast Asia to the Middle East by securing and strengthening the forward deployment of US forces abroad. This new realignment will project US forces further, faster and with greater striking power when they reach their destination. Many analysts have pointed out Japan is becoming a linchpin, a key security outpost, in the United States' defense posture in the Asia-Pacific region.

Right-leaning Japanese politicians and military planners in the ruling Liberal Democratic Party (LDP), led by Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi, appear to be willing, without much hesitation, to accept this new role of providing military hardware to the US, or participating in future conflicts under the wings of the American eagle. They want Japan to assume a more assertive (they would say rightful, while critics would say aggressive) role on the world stage and change its low profile in international politics by shedding its strong pacifism enshrined in the post-World War II US-imposed constitution in the future. They view the current constitution with its limits on combat overseas as anachronistic, unrealistic and irresponsible in the current turbulent world.

For ordinary Japanese, the issue of the consolidation and reduction of US military bases in Japan, especially in Okinawa, is more important than anything else. The two nations agreed to accelerate consultations based on the objectives of realigning US military forces in Japan, committing themselves to reduce the burden on local communities hosting US forces while maintaining effective deterrence. Still, the relocation of US military units such as those in Okinawa to other local cities and towns could trigger strong opposition from concerned local governments and communities in the coming months.

Japan and the United States agreed last weekend in Washington to strengthen security and defense cooperation by setting "common strategic objectives" to deal with new threats such as terrorism and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. The occasion was last Saturday's "two plus two" meeting of foreign affairs and defense chiefs from both nations. The agreement spelled out for the first time a common strategic objective to maintain peace in the Taiwan Strait - to China's anger and great embarrassment (See Japan-US Joint Statement; US-Japan Joint Statement on North Korea; and the 1996 Japan-US Joint Declaration on their security alliance.)

US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said US-Japan ties have never been better. "I cannot think of a time when the relationship has been closer or more constructive, and we value that in the United States and benefit from it," Rumsfeld said at the conclusion of the meeting. "[We] certainly understand that it [the defense relationship] remains a key pillar for peace and stability in the Asia-Pacific region, and a benefit to the world."

Japanese Defense Agency director general Yoshinori Ono agreed in separate talks with Rumsfeld on a US proposal for advancing joint research on a theater missile defense (TMD) system to the development stage in fiscal 2006, potentially targeting North Korea's Nodong and Daepodong missiles as well as China's Dong Feng missiles. Many analysts have pointed out that this missile defense system will become the actual bulwark of the Japan-US security alliance in the future.

The two sides also agreed to continue diplomatic efforts on the issue of North Korea's recent brandishing of nuclear weapons. Their joint statement said, "The ministers strongly urged North Korea to return to the six-party talks expeditiously and without preconditions, and to commit itself to complete dismantlement of all its nuclear programs in a transparent manner subject to verification." Japanese media have reported that Japan and the US affirmed their cooperation in preparing for any emergency cases, including a possible missile launch by the Hermit Kingdom, by sharing relevant information.

The four ministers also negotiated a new joint security declaration expected to be signed by Koizumi and US President George W Bush this autumn in Tokyo.

China was upset by the statement, which also advocated resolving the Taiwan Strait conflict through peaceful dialogue and asked Beijing to be more "transparent" in military terms. China quickly criticized the US and Japan for meddling in its internal security affairs relating to Taiwan, which it considers part of China. Calling the US-Japan security alliance "a bilateral scheme spawned during the Cold War period", Foreign Ministry spokesman Kong Quan said, "The Chinese government and Chinese people firmly oppose the US-Japan statement on the Taiwan issue, which concerns China's sovereignty, territorial integrity and national security," People's Daily reported.

Meanwhile, Taiwan cautiously welcomed the statement from the US and Japan that identified maintaining peace in the Taiwan Strait as a common security objective. "I welcome the international community's concern and interest in peace in the Taiwan Strait," Premier Frank Hsieh said in a statement. "Peace in the Taiwan Strait will help security and safety on the two sides. Taiwan should take up its responsibilities as a member of the global community," he was quoted as saying.

'Britain of the Far East'
Washington officials appear to have increasingly longed for closer defense relations with Japan that mirror the US-British special relationship in the past years, especially when Tokyo sent more than 1,000 Self-Defense Forces (SDF) personnel, mostly ground forces, to Iraq. The move was greatly appreciated by US officials at a time when the United States remained at odds over the Iraq with the European Union's main member nations, France and Germany. The term "special relationship" is commonly used to refer to the political and strategic ties between the US and the UK.

From their perspective, Britain is the United States' closest ally in Europe and Japan is its closest ally in Asia. But unlike Britain, Japan still cannot fully be involved in US military operations. Article 9 of the Japanese constitution prohibits the use of force as a means of settling international disputes, and the SDF is authorized to fight only if Japan itself is invaded, and then only on Japanese territory or in the surrounding sea and air. For this reason, Japanese troops were deployed to Samawah, a southern Iraqi city, which the Japanese government claims as non-combat zone, strictly on a "humanitarian" mission. The 2003 Special Measures Law stipulates that the SDF can only be sent to areas where hostilities are not under way. To send troops into a combat zone would violate this law.

Article 9 of the constitution, the "war-renouncing" provision, states:

1) Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes.
2) In order to accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of aggression of the state will not be recognized.

US officials appear to welcome a change in this state of military affairs in Japan and then seek a heightened level of the US-Japan alliance in the future - to parallel the US-British alliance. Washington has urged Tokyo to amend Article 9 and to authorize the right to collective self-defense. (Japan's current official stance is that it has this right, but cannot invoke it under the current constitution.) US military planners clearly want Tokyo to expand the SDF's activities to support US-led operations in Asia and elsewhere in the future. They may want to capitalize on the close personal ties between Bush and Koizumi to achieve their political and military ends.

Instructed by Koizumi, his LDP is currently mapping out a blueprint for amending the constitution by next November, when the party will mark the 50th anniversary of its founding. The LDP plans to release its constitutional amendment draft at that time.

This idea of transforming Japan into "Britain of the Far East" is nothing new. Richard Armitage, the former US deputy secretary of state, who has extensive knowledge of Japan, once expressed this idea in a special report for the Institute for National Strategic Studies, National Defense University (in Washington, DC): This report has since been commonly known as the Armitage Report, referring to Japan as the "Britain of the Far East". Many senior officials have adopted that concept and used the expression. Michael Green, the current National Security Council senior director for Asian affairs, was a member of the Armitage group. On October 11, 2000, the study group led by Armitage, then president of Armitage Associates, said, "We see the special relationship between the United States and Great Britain as a model for the [US-Japan] alliance."

Japanese hawks and some hardline Japanese military planners and politicians do not find this idea offensive, or even distasteful. This could lead to realizing their long-cherished wish to amend the constitution. Although this is little known among foreign observers, the LDP's founding charter at the birth of the party in 1955 includes the "establishment of Japan's own constitution" as the party's basic policy. Koizumi himself once said, "The founding spirit of the LDP was to establish Japan's own constitution ... After 50 years, it's about time for the LDP to consider how to amend the constitution and come up with an idea to raise national debate on the issue."

By amending the constitution, they believe Japan will return to being a "normal" country again with the exercise of the right of collective self-defense and the full engagement in collective security arrangements such as those in the United Nations. They believe this also will mean the eventual removal of US troops from Japanese territory in the long term - a goal the LDP set forth in its founding policy statement of 1955, although at this time most conservative politicians recognize the strategic importance of having some local US military presence.

On Saturday, the two countries also agreed to look into handing over to Japan US-held base management and air-traffic-control rights in order to expand the joint use of the facilities, including Yokota Air Base in Tokyo. If this new arrangement is realized, the SDF would manage the bases and use them in conjunction with the US military. This looks like a US gesture of goodwill toward the Japanese public by making some concessions to Tokyo. Most Japanese politicians seem to believe that this joint use, instead of exclusive US use, would lead to a scaling back of the US military presence in the future. But some critics have pointed out that this could be just a pragmatic strategy of the US, without a real difference. By reducing the current footprints of US bases, Washington appears to seek those bases being made permanent but less offensive, despite strong anti-base movements such those as in Okinawa.

The joint statement is just the beginning of Japan's new military posture and could mean that Japan will become much more closely aligned with and even involved in America's global strategies in the "war against terrorism". It holds major implications for Japan's future, including the amendment of Article 9 of its pacifist constitution in the coming years. The US drafted the current pacifist constitution, but now wants to scrap those pacifism provisions and urge combat by Japan if necessary.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Japan/GB24Dh03.html

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not good.... what if it tries to be aggressive and attacks asia again  ? How would the world react to this?



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  Quote chaeohk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Feb-2005 at 22:43
thanks for info.... i have always thought that japan couldn't remain demilitarized for long...
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Feb-2005 at 16:22
its bull, Japanese society is far more leftist than you know.  Its all the creepy demagouges that get the attention, in realty this stuff doesnt fly with the public, and the overseas deployment of troops is really unpopular.
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  Quote I/eye Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Feb-2005 at 04:36
they should vote more for leftist politicians then
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Feb-2005 at 18:31

they do, you just dont read about it because its not intresting enough to make headlines.  And even if Japan did want to seiously remilitarize themeselves the cultural attitudes today are totally different than in the past, it would be no more dangerous than any other asian nation building up stregth.  I mean Germany has an army and no one cares because people in Europe are smart enough to realize things have changed...people in Asia however.....

 

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Relations with other countries is starting to look bad...after the dude at the Japanese embassy in Seoul stated that Dokdo (Takeshima) was Japanese territory, things have been ripping up between the two countries.  Some Korean lawmakers are even proposing the year of Korea/Japan friendship stuff...and things were going so well too....
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Originally posted by Tobodai

And even if Japan did want to seiously remilitarize themeselves the cultural attitudes today are totally different than in the past, it would be no more dangerous than any other asian nation building up stregth.  I mean Germany has an army and no one cares because people in Europe are smart enough to realize things have changed...people in Asia however.....



You don't see Germany arguing with its neighbors over land, do you? Given Japan's atrocities during WW2 and its apparent refusal to apologize or even acknowledge them, I think it is justified for China, Korea,...etc to be apprehensive. This move to remilitarize raises alarms throughout Eastern Asia. If things really have changed, why does Japan need an army anyway? Yes, it needs a small force to defend itself, but other than that, what's the point? "Holding onto" the Diaoyu Islands? Is it planning another war? Granted, this is (hopefully) a distant scenario at best, but worrisome nevertheless to many people. A powerful Japanese military WILL be a threat to the other Asian countries.
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  Quote poirot Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-May-2005 at 22:05

The U.S. should be VERY CAREFUL if Japan does re-militarize.  After all, America did drop two atomic bombs in Japan.  In the short term, Japanese re-militarization would benefit the U.S.; nevertheless, I would not say so in the long term.  If Japan becomes strong enough militarily, it would not need nor desire U.S. military presence in East Asia

You can talk about forgetting past grudges and a new improved Japan, but a grudge is a grudge is a grudge.  Nationalism still runs high in the world (evinced by the high nationalist tides on AE).  How would you react if parts of your country were inflicted with weapons of mass destruction and afterwards, occupied with foreign military bases for more than half a century?    Thus far, the U.S. is the only country that has used nuclear arms in a war, and Japan was on the receiving end.   In the long run, the U.S. should be VERY CAREFUL.  In the international arena, alliances are forged based on interests; thus, friends can become foes overnight.  What starts as a partnership may eventually evolve into a conflict of interests, and finally a conflict of arms.   If I were the U.S., I would think twice before giving support to Japan's remilitarization;



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The US has little to fear from the Japanese, no matter how thrilling Clancy's wet fantasies might be.

You don't see Germany arguing with its neighbors over land, do you? Given Japan's atrocities during WW2 and its apparent refusal to apologize or even acknowledge them.

There are numerous nations arguing over land, many friendly. Denmark and Canada comes to mind. Rockall is claimed by at least three allied nations.
Japan has acknowledged/apologized a dozen times, it's just that it's apparently not getting through in most Asian media.

If things really have changed, why does Japan need an army anyway? Yes, it needs a small force to defend itself, but other than that, what's the point?

Try to look at it with Japanese eyes. The number one militarizing nation in that region is China, and given the sentiment there and the submarine incursions I'd be worried if I was Japanese.
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  Quote phoenix_bladen Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-May-2005 at 13:38

Originally posted by Styrbiorn




Japan has acknowledged/apologized a dozen times, it's just that it's apparently not getting through in most Asian media.

Apparently their words don't translate into actions.... how many times have they said sorry ?  Yet the current prime minister still visits the shrine no matter how much others tell him not to?  They are sorry for the war yet they still want diaoyu tai and douko?


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Try to look at it with Japanese eyes. The number one militarizing nation in that region is China, and given the sentiment there and the submarine incursions I'd be worried if I was Japanese.

Yet apparently never has china commited genocide or invaded its neighbours as brutality as Japan did the last 2 centuries..... what Japan did during those times is not even comparable to what China did in 5000 years.

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  Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-May-2005 at 07:19
Originally posted by phoenix_bladen


Apparently their words don't translate into actions.... how many times have they said sorry ? Yet the current prime minister still visits the shrine no matter how much others tell him not to? They are sorry for the war yet they still want diaoyu tai and douko?


What actions? Japan has payed and invested billions in cash aid to China the last decades.
So what if they visit that shrine? A few hundred war criminals out of 2 million soldiers who sacrificed their lives. Give me ANY war cemetary or memorial that has 100% good people in them and I'll give you my pension.


Yet apparently never has china commited genocide or invaded its neighbours as brutality as Japan did the last 2 centuries..... what Japan did during those times is not even comparable to what China did in 5000 years.


This is hardly true, China has commited quite a lot of "atrocities" ("" because of atrocities from a modern point of view),though mostly to itself. Japan never commited genocide either AFAIK. You can't judge the point of view and actions of modern Japan because of that though, most of the now living Japanese grew up in a democracy and had absolutely nothing to do with what happened during WWII.
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  Quote Elanjie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-May-2005 at 11:53

What actions? Japan has payed and invested billions in cash aid to China the last decades.
So what if they visit that shrine? A few hundred war criminals out of 2 million soldiers who sacrificed their lives. Give me ANY war cemetary or memorial that has 100% good people in them and I'll give you my pension.

   China had never received a penny of War compensation from Japan, while it had give more than hundreds of billions to those in S.E.Asia and Korea .  As the  low interest Loan (ADO), it is quite limited.

   You can't understand what the symbolistic meaning for the standpat Koizumi visit the shrine as you can't understand chinese. Could a idealist know what politic is?

 

 

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To All,

I hate to say it, but Japan does have a right to remilitarize itself for whatever reason they deem fit (self defense).  I respectfully disagree with Poirot concerning Japan not needing US help.  They need US support because they want to be the "important" nation in the region & also be the counterweight to China.  They will not give up their number one position without a fight (economic/political/military).

That is why they want to claim every rock like Dokdo (Takeshima) because they want to expand their sphere of influence.  China has the same dispute with Japan on those gas fields in the East China Sea.  Every country wants to do that, so I cannot blame them.  I am in no way agreeing with them but as far as the issues I just describe above, I cannot find fault.  There will always be territorial disputes.

I have great disagreement with Kozumi's visits to the shrines.  It is exactly like Schroder (German Chancellor) honoring all the German war dead (Like Hilter).  If he did that, can you imagine the outcry from every European country and US?  Yes, actrocities was committed by everybody since the dawn of man, but to honor them is another story. 

I think Kozumi wants to participate in these belligerent tactics to rally his support base (just like Bush) to take the attention away from the economic woes that Japan has been suffuring for a good decade.

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  Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-May-2005 at 14:49
Originally posted by Elanjie


China had never received a penny of War compensation from Japan, while it had give more than hundreds of billions to those in S.E.Asia and Korea . As the low interest Loan (ADO), it isquite limited.


   You can't understand what the symbolistic meaningfor the standpat Koizumi visit the shrine as you can't understand chinese. Could a idealist know what politic is?


Japan is the largest of China's donors, and China is conversevily the by far largest receiver of the Japanese foreign aid. The problem is that the Chinese government and media is very quiet about that, which apparently has started to annoy the Japanese government.

http://news.tradingcharts.com/futures/7/1/66619717.html

About the shrine, do you understand the symbolic meaning from the Japanese point of view?

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  Quote Elanjie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-May-2005 at 21:46

Japan is the largest of China's donors, and China is conversevily the by far largest receiver of the Japanese foreign aid.

    Styrbiorn, are there any water in your brain .

    I 've said clear enough, that China had never received a War compensation after WWII from Japan.The aid and loan are merely seen as another form of compensation which is still can't match the great suffering in WWII of China.

    You just buy their paraganda and thoughts, most chinese people know about such kind of aid, no one would take it seriously.

    Japanese is always good at distorting the true and history. It is you should be cautions of that.

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  Quote Elanjie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-May-2005 at 21:53

About the shrine, do you understand the symbolic meaning from the Japanese point of view .

   Whatever their point of view is, it is not important. They have done something terrible and extremely wrong in WWII, any time ,any situation they shan't deny.

   Being a major country in the world, japanese should obey the common criterion , that is simple, don't do something directly against justice. Only after they can achieve this, they are qualified to be a "normal" country but not by modify constitution or remilitarize itself and always being a servant of U.S.

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  Quote Gubook Janggoon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-May-2005 at 22:36
Originally posted by Elanjie

Japan is the largest of China's donors, and China is conversevily the by far largest receiver of the Japanese foreign aid.

    Styrbiorn, are there any water in your brain .

    I 've said clear enough, that China had never received a War compensation after WWII from Japan.The aid and loan are merely seen as another form of compensation which is still can't match the great suffering in WWII of China.

 


Wait, so if the aids and loans are only another form of compensation, then how has China never received compensation?  And how much will be enough to ease China's suffering?


Originally posted by Elanjie

   Whatever their point of view is, it is not important. They have done something terrible and extremely wrong in WWII, any time ,any situation they shan't deny.

   Being a major country in the world, japanese should obey the common criterion , that is simple, don't do something directly against justice. Only after they can achieve this, they are qualified to be a "normal" country but not by modify constitution or remilitarize itself and always being a servant of U.S.


Say what?  Their viewpoint is not important?  Why not? 

How would Japan become a normal country?  Become a servant to China?

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Japan might take its military the wrong way, they never apologized for their past bloodshed...
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  Quote Illuminati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jun-2005 at 02:05
I lived in Japan for a while. I have no problem with them re-militarizing. Its not threat to the US as peopel claim. Japanese culture is in lvoe with US culture. Our economies are hugely interdependent. Japan is not a threat. Tehy are a huge Ally. And Japan is surrounded by nations that dislike them and whom are much much more powerful.

I for one trust the Japanese, far more than I do the North Koreans or the Chinese.

as far as WW2 debts go............get over it. We got over it, the rest of Asia should too. You don't see us still hating them for starting a war with us. We weren't attacked as bad as the Chinese were, but come on, it was 60 years ago. Its time to build bridges, not fences. The Jewish aren't even this mad at Germany. Heck, the Japanese aren't even as mad at the US for dropping atomic bombs on them as the chinese are at Japan.
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