Child Brides Sold for 3,000 Euros in Greece

Originally posted by Zagros iranian.ws is not a source - it is the biggest stirrer of bullsh*t on the internet.  I notice that the article is nothing but a running narration.

Dowry = Bride price. Interesting notion.

Edited by malizai_ - 22-Sep-2007 at 07:00

Originally posted by Athanasios A Greek Muslim + Roma = Greek "alien" unfortunately. These people had chosen this fundamental way of life and they happily follow it. Greek government is indeed very sensitive about these cultural particularities of the Muslims. Why are the Greeks permitting this? If you see a map of Greece, i'm sure you'll get the answer you want ...

Originally posted by Athanasios only Muslims has marriages with 11/12 years olds?   or Marriages in Islam are actually buy/sell business? That's all you understood from everything above? I'll s-p-e-l-l them next time... We have a "culture of shame" here because the "villain" that makes a member of family or community (the little girl in this case), falls collectively on the shoulders of family and community  , which owes to get rid of the shame, in order to recover the her losing honor = haram. In a such "culture" the individuality is non-existent, same as each significance of individual right. The "culture of shame", however, i-s n-o-t i-d-e-n-t-i-f-i-e-d with the sovereign culture of Islam, as I have read, but it characterizes the way of a living version of Islam, that of arab-Veduins of 7th century.In order to turn in the haram (honor in this case) - she  should be placed , first of all, in the harem, in the space where  women living - that's why the women is the first and main victim when is placed the subject haram. Oh, and in this case the girl was not gypsy ,as you wished to be, and honor killing is not a problem of mine's. I'd  like to send you the article, if i find it but i guess you can't read Greek.

or Marriages in Islam are actually buy/sell business?

That's all you understood from everything above? I'll s-p-e-l-l them next time...

We have a "culture of shame" here because the "villain" that makes a member of family or community (the little girl in this case), falls collectively on the shoulders of family and community  , which owes to get rid of the shame, in order to recover the her losing honor = haram.

In a such "culture" the individuality is non-existent, same as each significance of individual right. The "culture of shame", however, i-s n-o-t i-d-e-n-t-i-f-i-e-d with the sovereign culture of Islam, as I have read, but it characterizes the way of a living version of Islam, that of arab-Veduins of 7th century.In order to turn in the haram (honor in this case) - she  should be placed , first of all, in the harem, in the space where  women living - that's why the women is the first and main victim when is placed the subject haram.



Oh, and in this case the girl was not gypsy ,as you wished to be, and honor killing is not a problem of mine's. I'd  like to send you the article, if i find it but i guess you can't read Greek.

Well, i have in mind a recent incident about a 11 year old muslim girl who was rapped by an adult and she was forced-by her family and local community- to marry him . Meanwhile, the victim's family took a compensation (money amount i guess) . The mufti had just  "ratified" the decision  .That's because of the haram law i think. At least we don't have incidents of "honor" murders inside the families members, something which happens in hardcore(and not that hardcore ) muslim countries.

Finally , i believe that European programs , such as INTEREG will finally homogenize the population of the european countries (in terms of wealth and living)and is a matter of time for this to happen in Thrace.

We must not  forget that a 10% of the Muslims are followers of the Turkish ultra-natinonalist line

I can imagine that their attempts are gathered , written in a textbook and  read as jokes by the K.Y.P. members...

Originally posted by Athanasios Sorry, did i tell you that selling a bride(child in this occasion) is something acceptable in a European country like Greece? Akritas, in some of these areas mufti's decisions maybe are above the law, but i doubt if this action was acceptable by the community  (if had ever happened...).

Edited by akritas - 21-Sep-2007 at 15:56

Originally posted by morticia OMG, I could not believe this article when I first read it. Thirteen and fourteen year old girls are being sold for 3,000 euros within the Greek Muslim community living under Sharia Law. Even though the Greek constitution grants specific guarantees of civil liberties to its citizens, according to this article, the Greek government is allowing this practice basing its decision on �cultural sensitivity�. Why are the Greeks permitting this? Source: http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_22490.shtml

Edited by akritas - 21-Sep-2007 at 15:21

A Greek Muslim + Roma = Greek "alien" unfortunately. These people had chosen this fundamental way of life and they happily follow it. Greek government is indeed very sensitive about these cultural particularities of the Muslims.

Why are the Greeks permitting this?

If you see a map of Greece, i'm sure you'll get the answer you want

I'm sure that 99% of the Greeks have ignorance of whats happening up there. If it was in my hand, i wouldn't let this happen at least if the girls were not adult, following the Greek law about marriage's  age. As i'm in position to know, the relations btw Greek orthodox and Greek muslim citizens are perfect and that's mainly because of the equal confrontation that Greek states provides to both groups of people.
I don't think that insulting directly the Sharia is a wise decision. Changes in the way of living for some parts of Greek Muslim minority, will come with time.