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    Posted: 30-Aug-2007 at 23:54
Originally posted by Aelfgifu

Oh yes, but North Carolina and New York are a lot more southerly than Newfoundalnd. New York is at the same level at Italy. But are there any good wines from Canada?
 
 
 
Yes there are good wines from Canada but not from the Rock. All that comes from there is cod fish, lots of cod fish -oh ya and oil workers heading to Alberta. Wink
 
personnally I tend to think that the pasture explaination is more likely that wine or grapes-  Newfoundland has some pretty extreme tempurature variations. It's latitude is somewhat deseptive, close to that of Paris in the south but because it is has no barriers to the Atlantic it gets more storms that anywhere else in the country making it less than ideal to grow grapes.
  
 
 
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The verb Vin can mean 'streben, wnschen, lieben, erreichen,gewinnen, siegen' aka, to aspire, wish, love, achive, win or conquer, as well as wine. So it could perhaps have alternative meanings aplenty: 'the won land', 'the beloved/loveable land',  'the wished for land', 'the achieved land', 'the conquered land'....

The verb is vinna, but you have to bend it to make sense. From the top of my head, won land would be "vunnith land". I doubt it has a connection.

Originally posted by Sander

Now, something interesting is going on. We know that finna is the  Old Norse verb ( to) find but it keeps a mystery how to conjugate and combine it with land to get ' found land'. Anybody from Scandinavia, perhaps?


It was and still is conjugated in terms of "fun-"*, so it's quite improbable there is a connection between Vinland and Foundland. There is no f to v change in Scandinavian either (not in the beginning of words at least). 



*I'm too tired to check up the correct old Norse conjugation, but modern Swedish is finna-fann-funnit, funnet (to find, found, have found, and found as as an adjective). This is an old verb, and the Old Norse conjugation surely followed the same pattern. "Finnland" would be grammatically senseless if you want to put the verb "to-find" in it (though it is the older spelling of Finland, which means something completely different). Newfoundland would have been Nyfundaland or literally Nyfunnithland.


There were two old words that are theorized to be the origin of Vinland: vn [vee-n], which means wine (the drink, not the grapes, which is in Old Norse is druva), and vin, pasture/grazingland. There is also a masculine noun, vinr, meaning friend.


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Originally posted by Styrbiorn

It was and still is conjugated in terms of "fun-"*, so it's quite improbable there is a connection between Vinland and Foundland. There is....
 
Agreed.   Thanks for info 
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