War for Nagorno-Karabagh (Artsakh)

You made  your nationalism by blood illusion public 

Saakashvili tries to make Georgia a real state...so he never feels happy about those who demand autonomy...especially armenians of Javakheti reigion in Georgia.

Do u really think that because of having ''Armenian blood'' from older generations he will support Armenia in any case?Let me remind you he was saakashvili who said ''be ready for a war against Russia''!!!

Lol..Let's open our eyes and back to the Realpolitik,man....-sigh-

As for your other comments,especially about those The Turkish accession the the EU...

what has it to do with my previous post and as well as Nagorno-Karabagh Issue?

You also know that honeymoon between Europe and Armenia has already ended.and Europe asks Armenia to withdrawl its troops from the territories it had occupied.

Therefore,you have nothing to say but bring up the childish demands of some european politicians about the Turkish accession to the EU.i dont care about what some comedians,who has no any degree on the Turkish history,allegade about.

i dont hope that within this century all armenians will migrate for other countries...Lets get ourselves rid of paranoia,Artaxiad.

i strongly assure you that for the welfare of Armenians of Armenia,the Kocharian and The Extremist Dashnags should go out....They do not find any solution to the armenian economic problems but rather they try to hide their failings through nationalism...

 Bravo, bravo. What are you saying? Are you talking about the progroms of Armenians in Sumgait (1988)?

Are you talking about me, or the Armenian people in General? If it is the former... My father lived in various parts of Turkey for more than 7 years.

Our claims in Eastern Anatolia are more logical than what the Zionists claimed in Palestine. Armenians constituted a majority in Eastern Anatolia until the early 20th century.

Oh, and while you were around Eastern Turkey, did you check out the ruins of Ani (ancient Armenian capital), the church on Akhtamar, and in various other places? Did you take a look at the ruined Armenian quarter in Van?

Are these from the Ottoman census? If I told you that there were around 2.5 million Armenians, according to Armenian sources, would you beleive me? And Armenians would be a minority in the Eastern Provinces, only if you pack everyone else together (Turks, Kurds, Laz, Helens, Assyrians, Circassians, etc.) and compare them to Armenians. But if you compare the Armenians to the Turks, Armenians were clearly a majority. Even the Kurds could barely balance the Armenian population. I should add that the Kurds were relocated there centuries ago by certain Sultans, to balance with the Armenian population. Armenians also went to places like Constantinople.

McCarthy's calculations in his book are false.

Here's what I found about the Armenian population. http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Images/Chicago/hewsen233.html

Even though it is obvious who built Ani, why is it that the word ''Armenian'' doesn't come on the panel for touristic information in front of Ani?  http://www.virtualani.freeserve.co.uk/history/part3.htm 

I also heard that the sheikh/mullah/? of the Kars Armenian church converted to Mosque said that the church was built by Turkish Christians.

Don't forget that the Russians had invaded the area. If, according to you, the Armenians formed only 15% of the population in Van province, how could they have done such a thing, even when Russians occupied it?

It's not like Armenians, Turks and Kurds were different countries back then. Do you really think the Turkish authorities would permit ethnic cleansing against Muslims?

And what is the end-result of the ''ethnic cleansing''? Turks and Kurds are living in Eastern Anatolia, Armenians aren't. 2/3 of the Armenian population in the Ottoman Empire was killed.

(maybe it's because you're such good Christians? )

This isn't a religion thing. It's not like Armenians and Turks are playing Jihad-Crusade together.

Today? Do you really think a nation that has lived through a genocide, would commit a genocide itself? Blasphemy. Read this:

http://www.azg.am/?lang=EN&num=2005022502

It's about the visit of an Azeri journalist to Nagorno-Karabagh. Azeris live a normal life there. Yet there are no Armenians living in Azerbaijan. A Bulgarian-Armenian - who wasn't even born in Armenia - once visited Azerbaijan as a sports journalist. He was stopped in the airport and sent back to his country as if he was some sort of terrorist.

Again, look at your one-sidedness. You mention the ''hundreds of thousands'' of Azerbaijani refugees, but you don't mention the Armenian refugees from Azerbaijan? You don't mention the ethnic cleansing (against Armenians) in Baku, Sumgait and Kirovabad?

It's the same thing. According to Turks, the Turks of Cyprus were discriminated. The exact same thing was happening to the Armenians in Azerbaijan. The differences are that Armenians were concentrated in one area (Nagorno-Karabagh), and the Turks were more or less scattered on the Island of Cyprus. The other difference is that Cyprus is not part of the Turkish homeland, yet Nagorno-Karabgh is a part of the Armenian homeland.

If the Greeks had said yes, the situation would have been more advantageous to the Turks. The Turks would have had more influence in a larger teritory (the whole island of Cyprus) even if the Greeks outnumber them.

Two different cultures (Greeks and Turks, in this case) on a same piece of land cannot live side by side without any confrontations. There was a similar situation in Canada, between the French and English Canadians. Even though it is peaceful today, the French and English had their little problems and confrontations too. Some day, new and serious problems might arise again.

Nobody will ''fail'' on this debate. Both of us will continue until a moderator locks this topic.

Here's a great site on the Nagorno-Karabagh conflict:  http://www.nkrusa.org/nk_conflict/index.html

Turk, I have sent you a private message.

Now, let's get back to the original topic.

Here's a great site about the conflict in Nagorno-Karabagh. http://www.nkrusa.org/nk_conflict/index.html