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    Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 03:31
I know that of course, but it would have been better to name them after the founder king or smth. If a daltonic man reads history he would definetely mix everything.
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  Quote ArmenianSurvival Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 15:51
Originally posted by DayI

i think those colors did meand something else, directions maybe?


     Yes for example in Mongol culture (I'm sure other central Asian cultures have it too) each cardinal direction is represented by a color.
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  Quote DayI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 13:00
Originally posted by Kerimoglu

Is there are a red one as well?

 
Man our ancestors were very colorful though
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  Quote Kerimoglu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Aug-2007 at 18:33

Is there are a red one as well?

 
Man our ancestors were very colorful though
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  Quote ashokharsana Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Aug-2007 at 12:20
And yess Avars were totally different..
 
By the way, Kushans were related to red Huns or chionites (Chionites or Kushanshahs were a group of Yuhechis which took over Kushans, here we are not sure whether they were related to White huns as well?
 
Here we have two more questions :
 
1. How Red Huns or chionites were related to sassanids ?
 
2. Why they were called red-HUNS ?
 
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Here is that inscription:
 
 
(L. 4.) He who, spurning (the confinement of) the boundaries of his own house, enjoys those countries, thickly covered over with deserts and mountains and trees and thickets and rivers and strong-armed heroes, (and) having (their) kings assaulted by (his) prowess, which were not enjoyed (even) by the lords of the Guptas, whose prowess was displayed by invading the whole (remainder of the) earth, (and) which the command of the chiefs of the Hnas , that established itself on the tiaras of (many) kings, failed to penetrate:
 
L.6.) He by whom (his) head has never been brought into the humility of obeisance to any other save (the god) Sthnu; he, through the embraces of whose arms (Himlaya) the mountain of snow carries no longer the pride of the title of being a place that is difficult of access; he to whose two feet respect was paid, with complimentary presents of the flowers from the lock of hair on the top of (his) head, by even that (famous) king Mihirakula, whose forehead was pained through being bent low down by the strength of (his) arm in (the act of compelling) obeisance:
 
 
Here we see that Son of Toramana "mihirkul" is being addressed as Hun.
 
I am still searching for the inscription which tells us about Toramana
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  Quote Kerimoglu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Aug-2007 at 03:56
Nop, Avars were different, Juan-Juans were called avars in Europe after the crossed Caucasus towards Eurpe
 
Ephtalites were actually mainly huns, and Kushans were also mostly of Turkish origin.
 
They actuall fought against Iranians, and it is a fact that Gokturks together with Sassanids destroyed Ephtalits or white Huns
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  Quote TheMysticNomad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Aug-2007 at 08:35

It would be interesting to read the rest of that passage you posted.  I'd like to know more about this Mandasor inscription which is the only Indian evidence linking Toramana to the Hunas.

Anyway, judging from the part of the selection you provided, it would appear that the Javulas were Huns.  Toramana is always identified by historians as an Ephthalite king. 

I am assuming that Javula and Jabila are the same, in which case I would say "no" to your first question, he was not wrongly called a Hun.  Also, don't forget that the Hunas held sway over eastern Iran at this time, where they were known as Xiyon.

I would answer "yes" to your second question because, once again, both Toramanas are always described by historians as being part of the Ephthalite dynasty.
 
Some say that Ephthalites were not "true" Huns, but judging from what I've read on the subject, the Ephthalites were probably an ethnic mix of the dregs of the Eurasian Huns along with a possible Kushan and/or Iranic ruling class.  They were known to the Chinese as the Hua and in Europe they were called Avars.  The name "Ephthalite" is thought to be derived from "Yoptal" which a Korean source identified as the name of one of the ruling families of the Hua.
 
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  Quote ashokharsana Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Aug-2007 at 05:05
See here one Javula is described as the forefather of both Gujjars and white huns.............
 
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  Quote AyKurt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Aug-2007 at 12:02
If you google Jabila tha Hun the only result you get is to this thread.  LOL
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  Quote Kerimoglu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Aug-2007 at 06:59
me too, like who the hell is Jabila?
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Wow! First I've heard of him. Come to think about it I have heard about that other great warrior Jabba the Hutt.
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  Quote ashokharsana Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2007 at 09:57

I want to know about "Jabila tha Hun", as many casts and many important towns (more than 10 in my knowlidge) in India traced their origin from one shahi Jabila or Jabla who was most probably a hun (or hepthallite?).

1. Was he wrongly called a HUN, as he was once described as a ruler of iran ?
 
2. Was he related to thehepthallite Toraman and mihirkula ?
 
Can anybody help ?
 
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