The hepthalites & huns

 

Rouran or Ruru or Ruan Ruan or Juan Juan were one and the same group. Are you sure Juan Juan were Avars ?

 

 

but xiong-nu is mostly turnet do be Gok-Turk, rather than Avar.

 

Yeah its very much a possibility.

Originally posted by Sarmat12 Xiongnu state was defeated by Chinese and Xianbei (Xianbi) in 2 century AD. Then they disappeared from the region.

  

 

Yeah The Xioungnu disapeared in around 200 AD but they came back as Gokturks, isnt it ?

 

Originally posted by Sarmat12 unlike Xiongnu who were Turkic Rouran spoke proto-Mongolian language.

  

 

Apart from the Rors or Rours there is another caste in India which follow the same tradition followed by Rours, this community namely 'Arora' claims to rule the same area which was ruled by hepthalites and they also claim that they are "khsatriyas".

 

Their Hometown Arour is situated in Sindh. Another nearby city is known as Rouri or Rohri. 

 

Sarmat,

 

The map presented here shows the situations in which hepthalites along with Rourans entered Indian subcontinent.  We are not emphasizing over the Rourans and Xioungnu here. It is generally believed (might not be 100% true) that Rouran who were a part (or vassals) of Xiongnu Khanate were later known as Avars when they were defeated by Turkic group called Gokturks in around 550 AD.

 

It is also true that the Turkish group "Gokturks" and Rourans were somehow associated with the XiongNu like Huns. The exact relationship is uncertain but thats a different arguement and not needed to acertain the hepthlites connection with the neighbouring tribes.

 

Hope its clear now.

 

Regards

 

Yeah,

 

Its a quite new discovery in my research but no harm in sharing it here.

 

The first hepthalite who attacked the Gupta empire in 454 AD named "Chuhan" or Chu-Han"  or Yujiul� Tuhezhen

(whose descendents ranked highest among all ksahtiryas later as "chuhans")

was actually a Rouran by origin and he came forward to help their vassal (hepthalites) against the Gokturks. Gokturks were getting help from sassanians and western wei and other Xianbei groups.

 

* As I told about Gokturks,  a turkic group, that they were also a part of Xiongnu  confederations. They were ruling under rourans until the mid of 5ht century. After a marriage proposal to the Rouran was rebuffed, the Gokturks joined with the Western Wei. They were expelled from the Xiongnu territories by Rourans. In order to take revenge, Gokturks invaded the hepthalite khagnate who were vassals of Rourans. At one instance the joint forces of Gokturks and Sassanians defeated the Rourans and Hepthalites, Te defeated group had to fall upon the Gupta empire once in 454 AD and again in 467 AD. First time they entered Indian under their Chief Rouran ruler "Chu-han". After his detah in 454 AD the hapthalite king named Tormana or Tomar-han sacked the Guptas and captured a large part of central & south asia. 

Later in around 500 AD the Rourans and hepthalites hurled them back till the western borders of persia. Finally in around 555 AD the Gokturks managed to finish the Rourans for ever. The hepthalites were also weekned and could hardly last till a century later.

 

 

There is a particular kshatriya community in India called Roar which are very close to the Kshatriya "tomars and Huns" and its amazing to belive that they came to india along with the hepthalites Hordes only, they use same surname and culture as the other kshatriyas turned hatpthalites used but still keep their community distant and never liked to be included in other kshatriyas. Though they are a par of kshatiryas but they think they are superior to the other kshatriyas. They strictly marry within their own caste and strictly follow the clan system.

 

 

Isnt it Amazing ?