Turkic Peoples

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Arkadash!

Acknowledging the existence of races is the first step to racism. Loving your 'race' is the second one. Considering your 'race' superior is the final.

'but hating others, beginning from Kurds ending at Armenians for me, is RACISM'

When did you see me write anything racist about Armenians or Kurds? Quote me one word which shows that. My words were for the ones on this forum who are  trying to terrorize us.

T�RKS are no racists, we dont have it in our characters, so instead of calling me a racist, go further deep in the subject i was referring to. I hate everyone who does wrong against T�RKS, but im never a racist.

Look, i live in Holland, here, where there are no terrorists, where the foreigners dont try to terrorize the country(there are 2 kinds of terrorists, ones who make cowardly attacks with help of usa, and the ones who try to terrorize the country with politics, media etc.). While there are no such dangers in Holland or another eu country, its a fact that most people hate foreigners. But in T�rkiye, with all these problems, people dont hate foreigners. We only hate the terrorists(whom are great percentage of foreigners) in our country. Im trying sketch the situation, do you understand what i mean?

Arkadasim, benim ne demek istedigimi sanki anlamiyormusunki benim uzerime anlamsizca geliyorsun. Ben bu forumdaki irkcilara, T�rk dusmanlarina yazarken, sen bana irkci diyorsun. Ben senin ne demek istedigini anliyorum, ama benim uzerime gelmen cok yanlis bence.

As a conclusion, we have to know who is the real racist, and that we must discuss why people dont want that T�rks in T�rkiye and T�rks outside T�rkiye are considered the same, while these people already consider themselves as brothers and while it is a fact that they are from same origin.

Edited by Glyndwr - 06-Aug-2007 at 07:13

Originally posted by Glyndwr When I started this thread I felt that I was asking a valid question, if I had felt it wasn't then I wouldn't have bothered. I didn't inted to offend people, because to be quite honest to some how find racism in the question is a pretty hard task, being as there are no derogatry comments towards Turks, or any suggestion of Turks being an inferior people because that is not the case.    This thread has been used as an excuse to rant about irrelevant topics like racism, terrorism and politics. If you wish to express your opinions that's fine, but do it some where else.

The fact that i wrote politically was because i had to answer someone who accused me with racism. My first post was an answer to your question, whom is a sensitive question.

Mortaza, thanks for apploud.

Originally posted by Beylerbeyi So these 3 little sentences is your argument for this subject, how pathetic. Come with facts, say why my arguments are wrong, come with contra-arguments. If there is something you cant accept then thats your own problem, dont soil the area with your dirt.   Pathetic is someone who lives in Holland, can't write Turkish properly, yet tries to teach Turks and Kazakhs like us who we are.   I was brief because I am bored of dealing with wiki-nationalists like you after years in this forum.   If you want to learn, go to search function and type my username and 'Turkish DNA'. You'll find many pages.

I have a foreign keyboard, thats why i didnt use some T�rk characters, that doesnt mean i cant write T�rkish properly.

I think finally Kerimoglu understood what my point was, and the last 2 posts of him and Bulldog is an answer to you.


Edited by omergun - 06-Aug-2007 at 19:38

Originally posted by Beylerbeyi No Kazak calls himself a Turk huh? Let's read what the president of Kazakistan, Sultan Nazarbayev has to say about this.   Mr. POPE: Yeah, the president of Kazakhstan. He says, `I am a Turk.' And you look at him slightly oddly because Turk now means a citizen of Turkey. He says, `No, not like that. We sent armies from here 500 years ago, a thousand years ago, to conquer Turkey. They married the local population, and now they're called Turkey. But the real Turks are still here in Central Asia, and it's us.'     http://www.sonsoftheconquerors.com/17001.html   Perfect example. He says he is a Turk, but says people of Turkey are not real Turks. And that's what I mean, no Kazakh would call himself a Turk, as in Turkish.   If you believe the President, and think the people of Turkey are not real Turks, then yes, Kazakhs would say that they are Turks. However, like the source who tells this anecdote says, for the world Turk means someone from Turkey. I use it in that meaning, and I say that no Kazakh (except for a crazy fringe) would say that she is a Turk. No more than a Turk would say she is Kazakh.    I know the Kazakhs well, most speak Russian at home, let alone call themselves Turks. They are a different people, a different ethnicity, a different nation than Turks. Anyone who believes otherwise lives in the teletubbies universe.   Its totally ignorant to try and deny the Turkishness or Turkicness of Central Asian, Turkistoni Turks.   Turkicness and Turkishness are not the same. Kazakh are Turkic, but they are not Turkish.   You have an obsession with DNA and racialistic ideals.   DNA, genetics etc have nothing to do with what makes up a nation.   Are you an imbecile? The original poster asked this question in the first post:   Are Turkic people recognised as being related genetically, or just by language?   I answered it, and immediately got attacked by two wiki-nationalists...

Seriously, i have a couple of questions to you==>

1. Are you a T�rk?

2. If no, with all these facts, why dont you want to accept that a T�rk and a Kazak are the same? What are you afraid of?

3. If yes, why do you hate T�rks in T�rkiye? I mean we have all same origin, our greatgrandfathers come from same stock, we are brothers, what is it that you dont like of T�rks in T�rkiye? These people are the sons of the heroic warriors who moved from Central Asia to conquer and make a home of countries like T�rkiye(just like the President of Kazakistan in the example Bulldog gave says).

4. If a Kazak speaks Russian at home for some times, it doesnt mean they dont feel themselves T�rk, on the contrary im sure they dont like Russians and feel proud to say they are T�rks. Many T�rks who live in Germany, Holland, England etc. also speak some of their times the language of their area, because they got their education in that language. But this doesnt mean we dont speak T�rkish, on the contrary, we speak more T�rkish and we carry on our T�rk Culture and Identity everywhere. The local people get confused, when they see how T�rk people carry on their Culture and Identity everywhere. The same doesnt count for the foreigners who arent T�rk, people like Arabs, Indians and others, lose most of their Identity and Culture.

The situation in Kazakistan isnt same, but because Kazakistan is an Independent Republic for not so long, it is quite normal they speak sometimes Russian.