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TheDiplomat
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Topic: Pax Americana Posted: 09-Feb-2005 at 05:22 |
Pax Romana,Pax Ottomana,Pax Britanica...and Pax Americana...
The hegemonic powers gave their name to the era in when they were dominant for once.
Pax Britanica is said to have lasted between 1815(af the congress of vienna) and 1870s(when a new imperialism age started)...Historians argue that between 1870s and 1945 the system lacked of a dominant player.they believe this led to many conflicts and wars which brought two world wars in the end.
Scholars tend to call post-1945 period as an era of Pax Americana.Some believes it still exist but some argues it ended in the early 1970s when the gold exchange standart was abolished.
what do you think about this approach?
Does the pax americana still exist?or as it were,is there something Pax Americana in fact?
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Posted: 09-Feb-2005 at 10:13 |
maybe 1989- present would be better, considering the rivalry between
the USSR and the USA created several conflicts and neither countries
were ever truly at "peace" with each other.
as to whether it can even be considered a Pax Americana, i think that i
can be. there have been no major global conflicts, mainly just
isolated military conflicts. the USA, along with NATO and the UN,
is acting as the world's police force, doing their best to prevent
global conflict. i know that in the last several years, President
Bush has taken it upon himself to try undo this Pax Americana, but i
think his actions will have one of two consequences. either his
aggressive policy will firmly establish this pax americana and allow it
to endure for many more years...or it will upset the state of things in
the world, end pax americana, and possibly cause a global war
hopefully dubya chooses well
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Posted: 09-Feb-2005 at 14:36 |
There was nothing like the Pax Romana. Nothing suplants the original. The others are just copies.
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Posted: 09-Feb-2005 at 15:40 |
Originally posted by Infidel
There was nothing like the Pax Romana. Nothing suplants the original. The others are just copies. |
the others weren't even pax (peace)
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Imperator Invictus
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Posted: 09-Feb-2005 at 18:56 |
Pax Romana wasn't peaceful either, so the Pax part is just misleading.
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Posted: 09-Feb-2005 at 19:42 |
the world was more peacefull int eh cold war than now, large stabilizing powers have good effects, especially when they compete under the threat of mutually assured destruction.
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Posted: 09-Feb-2005 at 21:14 |
Originally posted by Imperator Invictus
Pax Romana wasn't peaceful either, so the Pax part is just misleading.
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You've got a point there, Imperator.
But, anyway, comparing to the others, the Pax Romana endured for a lot longer. The analogies are just natural...
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Posted: 10-Feb-2005 at 07:06 |
Originally posted by Tobodai
the world was more peacefull int eh cold war than now, |
not really:
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Posted: 10-Feb-2005 at 16:23 |
Hello Mixcoatl,
I can understand the mexican portion of the graphic from 1910 to middle 20's.
No way some can refusse the so called dirty war on the on the 60's, but 70's, 80's and 90's sounds exagerated.
Specially the peak on the 65 to 70's portion. Almost a 1 million death ? Only the mexican revolution from 1910 to 1917 claimed 1 million lives.
It was no any major social clash since the Cristero Revolution in 1927.
Plus, the Chiapas War was a low intensity clash. The following bloody events took place between the catholics and evangelist , but weren't on the proportion. The other interpretation that I give to the graphic is the mixed numbers between Mexico and Vietnam. That would be the only possible way I could explain the numbers on the 60's and 70's, but not the 80's and 90's.
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Posted: 10-Feb-2005 at 16:50 |
The purple part in 60's 70's and 80's is indeed Vietnam, not Mexico. Mexico and Vietnam have the same color.
The deaths in Vietnam after '75 are from purges and drowned refugees.
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Posted: 12-Feb-2005 at 15:04 |
Originally posted by MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli
Originally posted by Tobodai
the world was more peacefull int eh cold war than now, |
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Umm..Historians describe the post-1946,specifcally after churcill's world famous speech on IRON CURTIAN,as the cold war.But as seen on the grapfhic,major deaths were before 1946...
and remember what happened in Bosnia,Rwanda,Karabagh,Kuwait,Afghanistan,DR Kongo,Kosova and Iraq still.
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Posted: 13-Feb-2005 at 02:38 |
yes in terms of scope genocide is much bigger inthe post cold war era than before.
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Posted: 13-Feb-2005 at 10:14 |
Back to the topic:
Originally posted by Imperator Invictus
, so the Pax part is just misleading.
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Pax Americana literally means peace imposed by the U.S.
So pax Britanica by Britishh Empire,Pax Ottomana By the Ottoman Empire and Pax Romana by the Roman Empire..
wasnt peace imposed by the US after 1945?
want peace imposed by the British after 1815?
The term pax does not literally mean no conflict or pure peace or somethings else....it is specifically referring to a peace imposed by one power
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Posted: 21-May-2005 at 00:19 |
can't expect total peace and still call ourselves human beings now can we?
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