Hitler and Germans the laughing stock of History

i am completely against this rhetoric evil generation - good generation. should Schindler apologize for saving Jews or what? or Sophie Scholl for opposing the regime while beign only a teenager who would otherwise care only for boys and make-up? in the 3. reich there were good Germans and very evil Germans. period. you can't just say back then all germans were evil and today all germans are good, or do you think skinheads who beat up blacks and indians in eastern germany are good? most German soldiers back then were forcibly recruited to fight and die on any european theatre, you name it. should they apologize for beign forced to do the dirty work of the nazis or faced being shot? of course nazis were supported back then by many, openly or not, the reason for this is, the economic rise of Germany coincided with the rise of the nazis, of course they had also some responsibility for it but still, if you had to feed your children you would even accept bread from the devil himself. if the government does good to you you don't ask why but gladly accept. if the government with his other hand does bad to others you don't ask why either, because you don't want to lose the favour of this government. everyone knows about the crimes of the nazis, especially nowadays but it was not all bad for the Germans back then, and Germans didn't had much contact with democracy before that so they just gave in and accepted the situation as it was. Jews were a minority and it was not teh only country were jews were regarded as second rate citizens. so why take an effort of savignt hem? in particular if all those rumours of jewish wealth and poisoning wells might be true?

also, why do people always say the people of xy (in this case german) people are bad because the government is bad? government and people is not the f**king same thing! if some freaks take over control of your country by coup and start shooting random people then thats bad enough, its not necessary that "clean" democratic countries start pointing figners and say, hey, why do you shoot random people, we will bomb your cities to teach you the means of democracy. whats the point of that? did it never occured to those countries, who never had a dictatorship, that you, as a commoner, can do shit about it unless you have suicidal tendencies or had training in guerillia warfare?

Speaking about german crimes has nothing to do with xenophobia. How is speaking about the crimes of a nation a step toward xenophobia (defined as a hatred or fear of foreigners or strangers or of what is foreign or strange)? These discussions say more about issues people have with governments not necessarily the people of a nation.

Originally posted by King John Speaking about german crimes has nothing to do with xenophobia. How is speaking about the crimes of a nation a step toward xenophobia (defined as a hatred or fear of foreigners or strangers or of what is foreign or strange)? These discussions say more about issues people have with governments not necessarily the people of a nation.

Omg...

Originally posted by King John The Nazis who were arrested and tried for war crimes, what nation did they come from? Germany. Making them Germans, therefore one can talk about German crimes. Germans allowed the Nazis to come to power. By the way you should go back and read my other posts where I blame more than just Germans. In fact I blame all who were complicit with the Nazis. Could you please explain how discussing the crimes engineered by the upper echelon of the Nazi party (all of whom were German) promotes xenophobia (hatred or fear) toward Germans?

King John crimes are, sometimes, commited by a country, but not for all citizens of that country.

Thank you Justinian. There it is. The Germans are not guilty. Hitler was Austrian. So it is all the fault of the Austrians.

Originally posted by gcle2003 or the massacre at Katyn,

Katyn was comitted by Soviets, not Germans

Interesting how some would like to perpetuate guilt as a form of Mass Hysteria and forget that in their advocacy they are simply reasserting a phenomenon known as the blood libel: X1 killed Y1 therefore all other Xs are responsible for the action and merit continued condemnation at the hands of the rest of the alphabet. Shades of a Corsican vendetta writ large! If you must blame anyone, blame all of those 19th century thinkers that thought to rationalize life on scientific terms and created scientism. But, such is the negative aspect of the urge to classify and bring order to perceived chaos. Hard to believe the incessant desire to generate bogey men.

Wow, thread necromancy