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Originally posted by pumaaa123 Evidence? So what I said putting such things here would re route and it doesn�t have any connection with the objective of this board or thread. People practicing such frauds need not be counted here as they do work for a different objective.

You have already said that nonsense before you clown!

Originally posted by elenos You are right, red clay. Somebody, anybody,  please amaze me with your dazzling array of evidence! I promise to read it, no matter how extraordinary.

Edited by red clay - 31-Aug-2007 at 07:02

Something seems slightly 'out of place' here.....

Originally posted by elenos I'm interested is finding grounds for discussion about these claims, but that is being openly refused. Some here are acting like authorities when they are not. I'm asking for them to present their point of view and evidence instead this game of acting offended. I have been in India and in Goa,. which is one of the places being talked about. What is happening here is someone wants to rewrite history. You use the words "cheap forge" which is yet to be proven. You sent more words with no proof. How about Devi priya talking for himself and giving some dates? On this board it is expected extreme claims are challenged or everybody would be let down and the board would suffer.

Treating posts of few like Deva Priya as anti-religious is too harsh. The bighearted Indian people have great respect over all religion but people familiar with this subject feel bad of such cheap forge. Deva priya is one among to react so. There is lot so to list, but such lists may very much reroute the forumers.

Edited by pumaaa123 - 31-Aug-2007 at 05:12

Dear members of allempires.com.

I request that the issue has to be dealt with in historical perspective.

Thank you for your opinion, devapriva. We learned your stand and indeed your negative emotions on St Thomas and Christianity in general.  Can I respectfully say to you the idea of this forum is to share information. If as you say the readers are independent and neutral then you must state your case to them and explain why you think the way you do.

Are you even read what I have said so far devapriva? In your haste to put down the most successful religion on earth, you made the totally unfounded claim that Christianity didn't reach Rome until the second century. Instead of being a true scholar and feeling the need to properly explain yourself, you now go on to send us second rate atheist propaganda! In my opinion it is badly written, no real content and with no historical value whatsoever.

The only point of interest is the pamphlet has been written by by someone who calls himself an "internet infidel". Do you too call yourself an infidel? Where does it mention Paul or even St Thomas in India and forget about the coins! It may take him the rest of his lifetimes to reach that point of education. I have read much more informative atheist works that talk about the role of Paul at length for he really was a historical figure!

Some good points red clay. Do you have any documentation in choosing from over hundred books? I have never heard of that many. I know the word "canon" means "up to the highest standard" and the church fathers had to be extremely careful in choosing what documents should pass on to the future. I'm  talking about the works of St Paul alone, forget the rest. So far as I know there is no "stylistic patchwork" about his writings, he was a Shakespeare of his time and as such simply could not be copied. That he could read, write and speak Hebrew, Latin and Greek is evident, and accounts for many so-called stylistic differences in his works. He changed from third person to first person all the time.

He wrote (and edited) the "The Acts" There was only much he could have witnessed first hand but wrote as if he did by using the works of others.  He was the one who first reported "speaking in tongues" as well he might, his linguistic abilities were above most others. He was a true intellectual with a burning genius for putting across his subject. If he had not been a Christian writer he would have been a historian. His putting across this radical message meant danger, adventure and excitement and of course none of us want that in our lives do we?

He intuitively knew how he was involved in a dynamic movement of the future that would one day rise up to overthrow the universal yoke of Rome. "But now I see through a mirror, but darkly.." Did you know he was the first in the whole of the Bible to use the formerly European pagan word "nature"? This wonderful expression makes a religion of its own and expresses so much about what we have constantly failed to appreciate in the greed fueled societies of today