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gok_toruk 
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 Topic: Altaic Numbers.Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 07:53 |
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I've tried to search for same number stems in Japanese, Korean, Mongolian, Tungus - Manchu and Turkic. I had to list Proto - Japanese, Old Japanese, Proto - Korean and Middle Korean as well, since Japanes and Korean add a large number of suffixes to the original stem.
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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 07:54 |
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Proto – Altaic: biuri
English: one Proto Japanese: pitə Old Japanese: piyto Modern Japanese: pitu, ti, hitotsu Proto Korean: piri (af first; begin) Middle Korean: piri-s, piri-so Modern Korean: pir-o-so Mongolian: bri (each one) Tungus – Manchu: Turkic: bir Notes: Also Turkmen 'pitew' which means 'one; unit'. Edited by gok_toruk - 02-Jan-2008 at 17:09 |
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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 07:54 |
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Proto – Altaic: p ioke
English: two; pair; half Proto Japanese: pəka (the other one) Old Japanese: p(w)oka Modern Japanese: hoka Proto Korean: pəki- (next one) Middle Korean: pəki- Modern Korean: pəgim Mongolian: (h)ekire (twins) Tungus – Manchu: Turkic: eki, iki Notes: |
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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 07:56 |
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Proto – Altaic: ul-u, il-u
English: three Proto – Japanese: uru-pu Old Japanese: urufu Modern Japanese: uru Korean: Mongolian: Tungus – Manchu: il-an (three) Turkic: ch (three); il-ng, l-ng (third) Notes: An interesting etymon; the original meaning can be probably reconstructed as "(a group of) three objects, followed by a fourth" (especially in Japanese and Turkic). The Turkic form represents a vowel assimilation. Old Turkic: ‘l-ng’ from Proto – Turkic: ‘l-ng’. Turkic ‘ch’: Turkic frequently reveals a secondary labialization: ‘r-’/’l-’ from ‘ir-‘/’il-‘. Japanese usually adds ‘pa’ (instead of Mongolian, Tungus – Manchu and Turkic ‘qa’) (‘pu’, in this case) to the Altaic vowel endings. Edited by gok_toruk - 02-Jul-2007 at 07:57 |
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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 07:58 |
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Proto – Altaic: toy
English: four Proto - Japanese: də Old Japanese: yo Modern Japanese: yo Korean: Mongolian: dr-ben, d-chin (1 four 2 fourty) Tungus – Manchu: dgin Turkic: trt Notes: In Tungus – Manchu, also ‘de-ki ' (fourty). The stem is the same as Japanese. Edited by gok_toruk - 02-Jul-2007 at 07:59 |
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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 08:00 |
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Proto – Altaic: t u
English: five Proto - Japanese: i-tu Old Japanese: itu Modern Japanese: i-tsu Proto - Korean: ta- Middle Korean: ta-, ta-sas Modern Korean: ta-sət (tasəs) Mongolian: ta-bu- (1 five 2 fifty) Tungus – Manchu: tu-n-ga Turkic: atə, etə Notes: In Japanese, initial ‘i-‘ is not quite clear; it is used on its own with the meaning 'fifty', and in ‘i-po’ 'five hundred' (if this is not a contraction from ‘it(u)-pə’. The Turkic word listed is preserved only in Bulgar Turkic. |
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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 08:01 |
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Proto – Altaic: nu-, ngu-
English: six Proto - Japanese: mu- Old Japanese: mu- Modern Japanese: mu- Korean: Proto - Mongolian: yiragu-ga (1 six 2 sixty) Tungus – Manchu: nu-ngu- Turkic: Notes: |
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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 08:02 |
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Proto – Altaic: nadi; ngadi
English: seven Proto - Japanese: nana Old Japanese: nana Modern Japanese: nana Proto – Korean: nir-kup Middle Korean: nid-kup Modern Korean: il-gop Mongolian: Tungus – Manchu: nada-n Old Turkic: yet(t)i Notes: Mongolian ‘dal-‘ '7' may suggest Proto - Altaic ‘ladi-‘ (with a development to Mongolian ‘lal-‘ and through assimilation, to ‘dal-‘. The medial consonant in general behaves rather irregularly: one may suggest an original cluster like ‘-dd-‘ to explain the Turkic reflex. Also, Koguryo ‘nanən’ 'seven'. |
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 08:03 |
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Proto – Altaic: cha, sa
English: eight Proto - Japanese: da Old Japanese: ya Modern Japanese: ya-tsu Proto – Korean: Middle Korean: Modern Korean: yə-t- Mongolian: Tungus – Manchu: ja-kun, ja-p-kun Turkic: se-kr, se-kir Notes: one may suggest that Turkic ‘se-‘ here is due to assimilation (‘cha’ --> ‘sha’ --> ‘sa’). Edited by gok_toruk - 02-Jul-2007 at 08:07 |
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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 08:05 |
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Proto – Altaic: k eg-
English: nine Proto - Japanese: kəkənə- Old Japanese: kokono- Modern Japanese: kokono- Korean: Mongolian: Tungus – Manchu: xegn Turkic: Notes: |
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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 08:08 |
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Proto – Altaic: tiobe, chiobe
English: ten Proto - Japanese: təwə Old Japanese: towo Modern Japanese: to- Korean: Mongolian: Tungus – Manchu: juba-n Turkic: Notes: |
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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 08:08 |
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Proto – Altaic: k iura
English: twenty Japanese: Korean: Mongolian: qori Tungus – Manchu: xorin Turkic: qir-q (fourty) Notes: Old Turkic ‘tibirim’/’tibirem’ (related to 2) (modern Turkic ‘yigirimi’) was used to mean ‘twenty’. |
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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 08:11 |
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Proto – Altaic: ngio
English: thirty Proto - Japanese: mi (related to 3) Old Japanese: myi Modern Japanese: mi Korean: Mongolian: gu- (1 three 2 thirty) Tungus – Manchu: Turkic: o-tur Notes: Turkic has got rid of Proto – Altaic ‘ng’ as Turkic words were not allowed to start with nasal. |
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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 08:12 |
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Proto – Altaic: j(io)ro
English: a big number Proto - Japanese: dərə- (ten thousand) Old Japanese: yoru-du Modern Japanese: yoru-zu Proto - Korean: jərh (ten) Middle Korean: jərh Modern Korean: jəl Mongolian: ye(r)-sn (nine), yeri-n (ninety) Tungus – Manchu: jir- (a big number) Turkic: jur (hundred) Notes: in Korean, also ‘jərəh’ 'a big quantity, number'. |
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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 08:15 |
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Proto – Altaic: namo, ngamo
English: hundred Proto - Japanese: muamua Old Japanese: mwomwo Modern Japanese: Korean: Mongolian: ja-gu-n Tungus – Manchu: nama Turkic: yom (1 big number or quantity 2 all) Notes: Edited by gok_toruk - 02-Jul-2007 at 08:17 |
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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 08:16 |
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Proto – Altaic: chiumi
English: thousand Proto - Japanese: ti Old Japanese: ti Modern Japanese: chi Korean: chimin Mongolian: Tungus – Manchu: Turkic: tmen (ten thousands) Notes: Note the Turkic - Korean parallel. Japanese ‘ti’ reflects a suffixed form (chium(i)-g). Edited by gok_toruk - 02-Jul-2007 at 08:18 |
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Sajaja bramani totari ta, raitata raitata, radu ridu raitata, rota.
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gok_toruk
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Posted: 02-Jul-2007 at 08:18 |
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Proto – Altaic: minga, mingo, mingu
English: a large number; thousand Japanese: Korean: Mongolian: minggan (thousand) Tungus – Manchu: Turkic: ming, bing (thousand) Notes: Perhaps Modern Korean ‘manan’ 'forty' ('big number'?). |
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Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 15:33 |
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Very interestng, so do you have information on the origins of the modern Turkish numbers that are not clearly of proto-Altaic origin, such as beş?
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