Turkic Origins in North Pakistan

 

Turkey has been accepting central asian turks for a long time; uighurs from china, and kirghiz fleeing from the soviets in the 80's, perhaps one day in the future you should apply for citizenship in there, i am certain they would give it to you. Just wait five or so years first, right now there aren't too many job opportunities but with the rate at which the economy is rising you should be able to live a comfortable life there in the future.

 

I am moved by your story. Ne mutlu turkum diyene!

To define a Turk an academic aproach is the language factor, because nobody knows who were the original Turks, and what was their genetic pattern,

if you go with the defination of noadic culture and Turkic language still an Afshar Turkmen from Turkey or a Qashqai from Iran will be different form a Kazak.

 

I have a question for niki, do you consider yourself better that who ever you call "Quls". remember that quls also used to enslve the otherside too. I guess understanding the human being is from the same origin is very important, do not miss that point if not you gonno trapped inside yourself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway let's ignore his childish antics and get back to the topic.

 

 

 

A pencil sketch rendition of photographs. A dedication to my father-in-law who passed away last month. Hyderbad was his city. The tombs of the seven Qutub Shahi rulers reminds one of the glorious past of Hyderabad. The tombs are very close to the famed Golconda fort. The tombs are now in disrepair but once were inlaid with beautiful blue and green mosaic. Restoration and preservation was initiated by Salar Jung III. These tombs are a great example of Persian and Turkish architecture. Sarojini Naidu, the Nightingale of India, penned a poem,

The Royal Tombs of Golconda

I MUSE among these silent fanes
Whose spacious darkness guards your dust;
Around me sleep the hoary plains
That hold your ancient wars in trust.

I pause, my dreaming spirit hears,
Across the wind's unquiet tides,
The glimmering music of your spears,
The laughter of your royal brides.

In vain, O Kings, doth time aspire
To make your names oblivion's sport,
While yonder hill wears like a tier
The ruined grandeur of your fort.

Though centuries falter and decline,
Your proven strongholds shall remain
Embodied memories of your line,
Incarnate legends of your reign.

O Queens, in vain old Fate decreed
Your flower-like bodies to the tomb;
Death is in truth the vital seed
Of your imperishable bloom

Each new-born year the bulbuls sing
Their songs of your renascent loves;
Your beauty wakens with the spring
To kindle these pomegranate groves.

I do not think that we have some group that claims themselves as offspring of KokTurks. I think it was personal opinion of some individual who belonged to that tribe and who think in such way. Again I think it is because of interview was given to Turks.

We have Qypchaq tribe and sometimes members of this tribe consider themselves as separate group from the Kyrgyz. It was accident (for us it is!) when one such guy registered as Qypchaq (not the Kyrgyz) in Batken region. It is because (Fergana) Qypchaqs existed as separate El (tribal union with "personal" independent shajara) untill the middle of XIX century, when they were exterminated and shared between Kyrgyz and Uzbeks. If we trust to Klyashtorny, Qypchaqs - late ethnic name of Sirs. Sir was a people (El) which created Second Turkic Qaghanate together with Celestial Turks. If Qypchaq tribe of the Kyrgyz could be considered as Sir from Orkhon-Yenisei inscriptions, we can say that some tribe of the Kyrgyz (Qypchaq) is descendants of Sirs (not Kok Turks).

 

I don't need to go around screaming I'm a Turk, I'm comfortable with my identity 

 

Now go play your silly games somewhere else, you don't contribute to any posts unless your trying to convince some Europeans who hate you that your like them...whose ahasmed of their background hmm