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SpartaN117 
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 Topic: Pakistani IdentityPosted: 31-Jul-2007 at 19:40 |
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Not an Identity change. I am simply pointing out the Identity DIFFERENCE between Indians and Pakistanis, and how Indians cant claim Pakistani heritage because there are already people who have much more claim over it.
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betaab
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Posted: 31-Jul-2007 at 23:36 |
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yeah i agree how can present day indians claim pakistani and indus valley heritage??
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pumaaa123
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Posted: 01-Aug-2007 at 03:44 |
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Heritage comes ONLY when you preserve a culture intact for centuries together. In that way, todays India has kept its origin very well. IVC > Vedic evolution > Present day Bharat. This flow is clear with India whereas the existing social groups of Pakistan had undergone a lot of transformation carrying less from its origin. Claiming a land is different from claiming a heritage. Edited by pumaaa123 - 01-Aug-2007 at 03:45 |
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betaab
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Posted: 01-Aug-2007 at 11:25 |
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the only thing happend to pakistan is they became muslim, but that doesn't mean their identity changed.
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MarcoPolo
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Posted: 02-Aug-2007 at 13:10 |
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Ohh... I get it.. sorry about the delayed reaction. :)
Afridi is rightly very proud of his Afridi Pashtun heritage as am I and its only natural that we'd take offense to someone who tries to pretend he is one of us by adding 'pathan' to his last name. I dont know too much about this individual in particular but it is quite funny how his last name is pathan.
On the other hand, we have many people who claim to be Pashtuns and we can usually tell the difference. In Pakistan we have some tribes of real mixed Pashtun lineage who are not fully accepted so you can imagine what its like to meet someone who has no pashtun lineage yet claims to be so... Pashtuns have a very honourable reputation and its no doubt that people want to emulate us. many try to enhance their past/social standing by stating their ''Pathans'' when they look nothing like Pashtuns, dont speak Pashto, nor carry any of the qualities of the Pashtuns. BUt Im sure this happens in many countries of the world where one group is emulated more than others.
Edited by MarcoPolo - 02-Aug-2007 at 13:13 |
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Posted: 02-Aug-2007 at 16:04 |
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Pathan you need to remember a bit of a catch all term in Urdu for people from Afghanistan. |
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SpartaN117
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Posted: 02-Aug-2007 at 21:45 |
I am sorry to inform you that the IVC has very little to do with India. Its largely based in Pakistan and its too old to assign a country to the civilisation. While your argument of Pakistan being 60 years old is right, this doesnt explain the Pakistani people. You cant put a number on the age of the Pakistani people. They had a name change, nothing more, so they dont lose their history and heritage because of that. The history of the Pakistan region belongs to Pakistanis first, hence its Pakistani history. I honestly dont see how some person in South India can lay claim on the heritage of Pakistani ancestors. It doesnt make sense. |
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pumaaa123
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Posted: 03-Aug-2007 at 07:14 |
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Regarding south Indians claiming Indus origin, I can pass it on to few other AE posts whom have well seen from their eyes this region (check the post in the below link http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13035&KW=all+indians by Hellenic for some awareness). That last section should be a pity. And theres no line drawn over the deccan terrain to distinguish the people living there. If color is a feature you deposit upon, then those Indic colors are present all over this subcontinent and no color is specific for any particular region. A prolonged civilization will always produce diversified outputs. Here, even those diversified outputs have marginal variation. In Africa, the diversification is in form of tall & short, big & small within an ethnicity. Check this page and the links down. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yadav. Though wikipedia is not a primary resource it can be well considered as a reference for certain cases. Also in the same line there are many Vaishiya and Ksythriya sects whom are spread across the sub continent (from south to north) but never taken and discussed for healthy case. The people within are nerved together as one (sub-race) actually and there is no two, three. Indus is the origin of all subcontinent people. Dravida! Such an alien term! Arya is one another. These all are purely belief and not history. Realization isnt instant. Soon some time then unattended things will also come under spotlight clearing the youthful minds. Edited by pumaaa123 - 03-Aug-2007 at 07:23 |
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MarcoPolo
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Posted: 06-Aug-2007 at 19:08 |
Agreed.  Edited by MarcoPolo - 06-Aug-2007 at 19:08 |
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pumaaa123
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Posted: 07-Aug-2007 at 09:25 |
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Logic Evidence/proof Statistical Data Event (related and factual) Equation An argument/statement necessarily require any of the above like things. At least it requires a reason or some general sense. Empty stmts mean nothing and retelling it simply carry no value! Such posts will simply mean the forum of a usual Infotainment not of History. |
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betaab
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Posted: 07-Aug-2007 at 10:17 |
If indus is orgin of all subcontenetal people, come there are no indus cities in india today? how come there in the pakistan region only?
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pumaaa123
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Posted: 08-Aug-2007 at 01:15 |
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Dear bettab, It not like saving it in your palm to open and show. The unearthed Indus sites stretch from todays Balochitan to todays Indian side of gujrat and Punjab. |
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betaab
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Posted: 08-Aug-2007 at 11:51 |
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but ur saying all of south asia. those states border pakistan. all of india wasn't part of indus civilization.
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MarcoPolo
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Posted: 08-Aug-2007 at 12:02 |
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While the Indus Valley exerted considerable influence throughout a vast area stretching East and West as well as via maritime trade, this ancient civilization was "BASED" on the Indus River hence its name of Indus Valley Civilization. The last time I checked, the Indus river and the bulk of its tributaries run through Pakistan.
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Posted: 09-Aug-2007 at 04:50 |
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Okay, this topic left the land of civility a long time ago, and its main saving grace has been marcoPolo and his knowledge. Nevertheless, I am getting a bit tired of all the barbs. Thus lets say this is a topic warning, if civility is not restored, then this topic will be locked (its past its shelf life anyway).
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pumaaa123
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Posted: 09-Aug-2007 at 05:33 |
Dear betabb, the Indus was their (SAs) breed ground and later they expanded to ganges and deccan plains. So, altogether it progressed as on one land and one people for longtime till it got disturbed by foreign elements. |
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Posted: 09-Aug-2007 at 07:21 |
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Not true, the Gangatic plains developed independently of the Indus Valley.
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pumaaa123
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Posted: 09-Aug-2007 at 08:41 |
If its two (or three) then how the COMMONNESS by sect/culture/lingual/blood/every-aspect come?? Is it like independently developed and merged later?
Also scientifically, when million years old fossils of dinosaurs are unearthed why there not in this gangetic plain, a site? Even if so, at least by accident it would have came out in this longtime. The definite is ALREADY civilized people lived upon years there. So nothing is present. |
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Posted: 09-Aug-2007 at 08:52 |
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When you are nearby there is bound tio be some common ties. As foryour aspects, well sect is a social constrct and blood is shown to be similar in many population. But the differences are even greater, in the Indus vallery today, there is a plethorea of languages spoken.
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pumaaa123
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Posted: 10-Aug-2007 at 00:44 |
So the Nearby should be applicable for all of the world population and does it mean their existed a civilization for every 100 or 200 miles distant?
yeah, such surplus numbers of languages in the indus region shows there was a civilization being distinct from other places. Edited by pumaaa123 - 10-Aug-2007 at 00:45 |
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