Free University of Berlin denies Batak massacre!!!

http://international.ibox.bg/news/id_1380292856

http://www.sofianewsagency.com/view_news.php?id=79747

This is outrageous!!!That german pseudohistorian(seemingly) Ulf Brunbauer from the Free university of Berlin together with Martina Baleva(Bulgarian) stated that the Batak massacre made from the turks towards Bulgarians from the April Uprising 1876 is a myth.I learned it on the Bulgarian news in wednesday and i'm still fuming with anger

If anyone wants to read more about the uprising go here:
http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=18778&PN=1

In my later posts in the thread i posted documents which you can also read to learn more about the massacres during the surpression which took more than 30 000 innocent Bulgarian lives.The Batak massacre is one of the most terrifying-first the Bulgarians repulsed the turkish attacks but they were few and the turks came into the town.The men together with all the women and children fortified themselves in the churches and schools.The turkish leader Ahmed Aga stated that if they surrender they will be spared and when the Bulgarians surrendered one of the most brutal massacres towards Bulgarians began by the turkish soldiers and bashibozuks(irregulars).The population dropped from 9000 to 1300.


Edited by Liudovik_Nemski - 29-Apr-2007 at 08:15

It is an old news and I am sure there were a little exgeration about massacre.

I dont need proof, I dont interest much with It. Most probably, Turks were treated harsh and bulgarian historian exgerated it.

I mean Turks treated harsh..

Maybe it is an other effort  of history's "reconstruction"  in order to manipulate the historical conscience of people-especially in sensitive areas like the Balkans- , so as to forget the atrocities of the recent past, and head peacefully to their European future. Of course this is the optimum but that shouldn't come by this sly way. People should understand their past and its repercussions in their modern lives, providing that the nationalistic point of view is erased(when we're talking about historical facts) from their minds (by deeper research of their own and common logic).
 
I can ensure you that  incidents like this are common phaenomenon in E.U. of speeche's and expression's freedom . Statements like the deny of Batak massacre can be doubted by everyone who has elementary knowledge about the subject(or every other subject like physics , biology social sciences etc.etc.depending on the argument)

Originally posted by Athanasios Maybe it is an other effort  of history's "reconstruction"  in order to manipulate the historical conscience of people

Yes it is,but not for the Bulgarians the aim is most probably to make the westerners think that it didn't happen.However i doubt that these two are doing it on purpose after all they know what will follow if they declare it a myth.Fokus(Bulgarian informational agency) even clearly said that Ulf and the woman were funded by Turkey in order to make the europeans look at them with a better feeling.
We don't want compensations from Turkey for the massacre,we just want the historical truth.

Originally posted by �ok ge� With all due respect, the photo you posted are little suspecious. First, it is normal that you find bones in churches. I have been to churches where piles and piles of bones are collected for those who passed and burried in the church.

The second picture was taken by D.Kavra in 1878.The first is a newer one made more recently.
Well maybe this american journalist who visited the Bulgarian lands after the surpression of the uprising was a wild Bulgarian nationalist to write this article for the english newspaper Daily News:
http://www.attackingthedevil.co.uk/related/macgahan.php

Maybe William Gladstone,Oskar Wilde,Charles Darwin,Victor Hugo and Giuseppe Garibaldi,Fyodor Dostoevsky,Leo Tolstoy were also Bulgarian nationalists for condemning the massacres.

Second, I'm not sure but those skulls you posted of grown individuals in contrast to the idea of mass massacre with different sizes of victims' skulls.

Look more carefully to the skulls in the left and compare them with the size of the ones to the right if you don't mind.Oh and how will you explain that nearly all the sculls have holes in their heads?


Edited by Liudovik_Nemski - 28-Apr-2007 at 06:21

Originally posted by Liudovik_Nemski Oh and how will you explain that nearly all the sculls have holes in their heads?

The Ottomans must have those victims lined up and used a strong enough hammer to make a whole in each victim's head. This might spice up the story little bit too if you desire it.

P.S: Truth is never verified by how many people believe in it. Anyhow, I will invistigate more later to verify a more objective view of the incident

In 1930's the new Turkish government had sold/sent many (tons of) Ottoman archives to Bulgaria. 

for Turkish users, this video might help:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oon1dnqXmSs

(there was even a Quran written in 18th century which weight over 70kg!).

Well, some others(bulgarian journalists) may have read it. The hole concept was that Batak massacre was an exaggeration or even a myth.