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Cyrus Shahmiri
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Topic: Kurdistan Posted: 14-Jan-2005 at 04:20 |
Is it possible that a country with this name is created?
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Posted: 14-Jan-2005 at 08:25 |
If there will ever be a country called Kurdistan all history forums will have to close down because of terrible flaming
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Stewart
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Posted: 14-Jan-2005 at 09:11 |
There's too much territory in too many different countries for it to be plausible. The only way would be start some sort of Civil War - on many fronts - but after the history of war and sorrow suffered by the Kurds that would be highly unlikely.
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Kuu-ukko
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Posted: 14-Jan-2005 at 10:45 |
Highly unlikely, even though I personally think it's wrong that there
isn't one. The Kurds were given an autonomic state in the treaty of
Lausanne, but it is yet to come...
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Tobodai
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Posted: 14-Jan-2005 at 18:43 |
just give the Kurds, Hutus, Serbs, and Darfurians a slice of the West Bank! That would solve all the problems!
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Miller
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Posted: 15-Jan-2005 at 01:16 |
Iraqi Kurdistan is the closest thing
they have to an independent country without a UN seat. If there if
ever to be an independent Kurdistan it would be in northern Iraq.
I somehow don't think the people in
Bakhtaran have the same kind of desire for
separation as the one in Van
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Paul
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Posted: 15-Jan-2005 at 20:07 |
I seem to remember vagely something about Syria and Iran a long while ago promising to give the Kurdish regions of their countries to to the Kurdish state if ever one formed. They did this safe in the knowledge one would never form and partly to keep the Kurds in their country's quiet and partly to stuff the Iraqi's and Turks.
A similar policy to France and the French Basques.
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Posted: 16-Jan-2005 at 07:31 |
I doubt Turkey would concur. Many of its vital natural resources are actually located in where Kurds live.
But then, Middle east was made by British who tried to assort things properly, so in other senses, it might be worthwhile.
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Grrr..
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Jagatai Khan
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Posted: 26-Jan-2005 at 15:09 |
Is it possible that a country with this name is created? |
No.Turkish Army will not allow this.
Now the Kurds are struggling to change the ethnic population rates of the cities where the Turkmens live in such as Kirkuk and Musul.
They want founding a state like this,but they can not.
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Posted: 26-Jan-2005 at 16:50 |
I don't think they will get alot of the lands, but if they did, they would get the Turkish Iraqi lands. And, they might as well share it with the assyrians too.
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Turk
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Posted: 27-Jan-2005 at 21:16 |
That map is wayy over-exaggerated.
Besides, there already is a Kurdistan in Northern Iraq. Turkey built
some travel planes for them and even allowed "Air Kurdistan" to be
written on them. The "autonoumous" Kurdish province of Iraq really is
its own country, they just don't put it like that.
I'm glad they can finally manage their affairs though.
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Posted: 28-Jan-2005 at 15:13 |
We should not have to create additional countries. We should work on
eliminating nationalism as a dominating political force. This is why EU
must succeed.
All major problems of XX century were created by rampaging nationalisms.
Instead of focusing on dividing forces, we should focus on uniting ones.
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Turk
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Posted: 28-Jan-2005 at 15:24 |
Originally posted by cavalry4ever
We should not have to create additional countries. We should work on
eliminating nationalism as a dominating political force. This is why EU
must succeed.
All major problems of XX century were created by rampaging nationalisms.
Instead of focusing on dividing forces, we should focus on uniting ones.
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The Muslim and spiritual side of me agrees with you on eliminating
nationalism totally and focus on things we have in common...The Turkish
side of me wants to impale you with a sword and eat you like shish
kebap.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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azimuth
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Posted: 28-Jan-2005 at 15:32 |
Originally posted by Tobodai
just give the Kurds, Hutus, Serbs, and Darfurians a slice of the West Bank! That would solve all the problems! |
Gaza is not full yet, the poor Jews had to leave a couple of their houses in Gaza so they left alot of space
after Gaza become full, they should start with the west bank.
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Posted: 06-Feb-2005 at 19:19 |
Before first elections in iraq which has freedom ( ? ).
150.000 kurds has moved in kirkuk which is an original turkmen city. according to what i heard , before usa operation , max. 40.000 kurds has been forced to move out of kirkuk, so turkmens had. But 150.000 !!!
even young kurds carried old ill (about to die, really !! ) kurd women on their hands to vote. A vote is a vote.
According to demographic structure of the region. Turkmen people is major ethnic group , then sunni arabs , kurds , shiites and christians.
There are 20 chairs in local parliement , 18 of them is for kurdish militias.
Kurdish clowns , talabani and her younger sister barzani thinks to claim that kirkuk is kurdish city. and they plan to take kirkuk in kurdish half-independent militia, strange people community to have oil resources.
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Posted: 06-Feb-2005 at 21:41 |
Another -stan country? Aren't there enough already?
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An nescite quantilla sapientia mundus regatur?
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Posted: 07-Feb-2005 at 06:03 |
Originally posted by exodussian
There are 20 chairs in local parliement , 18 of them is for kurdish militias.
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Can't people bring their own chairs then?
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Cyrus Shahmiri
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Posted: 07-Feb-2005 at 08:03 |
Another -stan country? Aren't there enough already? |
I think there are already more than 50 -stan countries, Englestan (England), Armanestan (Armenia), Gorjestan (Georgia), Farangestan (France), Bolgharestan (Bulgaria), Lahestan (Poland), Majarestan (Hungry), Arabestan (Saudi Arabia), Hendustan (India), Mogholestan (Mongolia), ...
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Posted: 07-Feb-2005 at 09:37 |
Originally posted by Turk
That map is wayy over-exaggerated. |
Proof? It's based on areas where Kurdish populations are indigenous to. And that includies as much of Turkey as you see in there and is consistent with every other map of Kurdish lands available.
Originally posted by exodussian
Before first elections in iraq which has freedom ( ? ).
150.000 kurds has moved in kirkuk which is an original turkmen city. according to what i heard , before usa operation , max. 40.000 kurds has been forced to move out of kirkuk, so turkmens had. But 150.000 !!!
even young kurds carried old ill (about to die, really !! ) kurd women on their hands to vote. A vote is a vote.
According to demographic structure of the region. Turkmen people is major ethnic group , then sunni arabs , kurds , shiites and christians.
There are 20 chairs in local parliement , 18 of them is for kurdish militias.
Kurdish clowns , talabani and her younger sister barzani thinks to claim that kirkuk is kurdish city. and they plan to take kirkuk in kurdish half-independent militia, strange people community to have oil resources.
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You are claiming Kurds have repopulated Kirkuk with 150,000 people? You realise that is like moving a WHOLE large city? Do you have any source, aside from nonsensical Turkish propaganda?
KIRKUK WAS ALWAYS MAJORITY KURD UNTIL SADDAM RELOCATED MANY THEM AND REPLACED THEM WITH ARABS - That is a documented fact.
Two years ago Americans stopped a Turkish commando brigade sent in to sabotage Iraqi Kurdistan and sent them home. What other clandestine business does Turkey have in Iraqi Kurdistan?
The only reason Turrks are interested in Iraqis Kurdistan is the oil in the region and you use poor Turkmens as political pawns. Sure maybe you have fears of Kurds in Turkey renewing their seperatist endeavours, but nothing will stop you brutally crushing those as normal and pursuing your policy of cultural genocide for lack of the better alternative, and I am sure Armenians will know what I am talking about.
Zendebaad Kurdistan
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Posted: 07-Feb-2005 at 11:31 |
Of course , 150.000 didnt move in one day. they had started to move from months ago. Kurds have come from suleymaniah and erbil. Under guard of kurdish militias.
By the way , I know armanians are ok nation. A nation. but i always wondered about what kurd is ?
what is kurdish mean ? a nation ? where does that language come from ?
belongs which language group? where they come from ? roots ....
as i knew , russian tsarity sent some professors to research on what are kurds , and inject nationalism them , to use them against ottoman empire later. but they couldnt solve what kurd is.
if you know what they are (by documents) , could you enlighten me ? after that i can take you as a lawyer to defend them.
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