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    Posted: 08-Mar-2007 at 07:37
where homer called as dardanias the troyans???!!!....
we all know perfectly that Aeneas(ENEAS)was called like *ENEAS DARDANIDI*.
This man was the one who created *Alba Longa* in italy after the war of troy....(Virgilis)
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Originally posted by amanti


we all know perfectly that Aeneas(ENEAS)was called like *ENEAS DARDANIDI*.
 
That's because Aeneas is a Dardanian, he is not a Trojan.
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i think it was a civil war couse the peopel that fought were pellazgains at both sides
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whats the problem flipper?!
 
what i am saying is only my opinion and not the liburni"s one
and by my opinion it was a civil war
its not my foult that i am an albanian like liburni
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by the way i suggest you to buy the book that recently was published in france and has made a great disscussion there....
it is called albanians and the odisse of a prehelen nation
 
it will help us for this teme, dont miss the chance to read it
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On Trojans as they were mentioned

Dionisios Allicarnassus-(Roman archaeology .a'61 k.ex)
<<And the trojan nation hellenic from peloponisos came forth>>
Διονυσιος Ο Αλλικαρνασευς (Ρωμ.Αρχ.α'61κ.εξ.)
<<...και το Τρωων εθνος ελληνικον ην εκ πελοπονησου ποτε ωρμημενων >>

Agon Homer & hesiod,Papyrus III,dublin 1891,page 70)
<<And the Trojan genos is Hellenic from the start>>
Αγων Ομηρου και Ησιοδου,Παπυρος ΙΙΙ,Δουβλ. 1891 σελ 70)
<<και το Τρωικον γενος ελληνικον αρχηθεν ην>>

and britani really your posts lack any evidence or logic.Only albanian nazi propaganda
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It was a civil war between hellenic nations.Thankou all.Also reading the iliad would help you .
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Homer does not refer any translators btw the Greeks and the Troyans.
omaimon(the same blood)
omothriskon(the same religion)
omoglosson(the same language)

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Dionysius of Halicarnassus (1.6162) states that Dardanus' original home was in Arkadia thus Dardanians were at  most ancient times greeks.He was the ancestor of the Dardanians of the Troad and, through Aeneas, of the Romans.
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surley it was no a real greek civil war

pompe trogue says: pelop brought from frigia his nation to this land and to honor of him this was called pelopones .......werent frigians at both sides according to this point of view?!
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Go read the Iliad read  greek and latin texts and stop with you r gibberish.You dont have the basic faculties of logic.
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Trojan side=hellenic nation+Achaean side=Hellenic nation=War=Hellenic nations at war=Civil war.
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Originally posted by britani

surley it was no a real greek civil war

pompe trogue says: pelop brought from frigia his nation to this land and to honor of him this was called pelopones .......werent frigians at both sides according to this point of view?!
 
What are you talking about? Peloponessos took its name from Pelopas. You know Mykines?Wacko

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Originally posted by olvios

Trojan side=hellenic nation+Achaean side=Hellenic nation=War=Hellenic nations at war=Civil war.
 
I don't get this equation. What's the antiderivative of this?LOL
     
   
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Originally posted by pekau

It is most likely due to the Greek's attemt to monopolize the Western Medditeranean Sea and to end the economical and military competiton, as Segestan pointed out.
 
Just a question, Greeks united to invade Troy. Didn't Troy had any allies in the Asia Minor? Did they get any help from other cities nearby? Did the Trojans stayed behind the walls, or did they fight in the beaches in the beginning?

Some of Troy's more exotic allies included the Amazons and Ethiopians. They were fierce warriors but no match for Achilles
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Representations in art of the conflict.
 
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was TROY a civil war???


Definitely not! Trojans were foreign to the Greeks...
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