Chechnya is necessarry and justified

In what sense is it Russian soil, you could just aswell call the areas that were under Russian control in 1913. his soil, Chechnya is no different, their fight for freedom is just in progress, that is the difference.

Those lands were our soil in 1913. So if a revolt started then and there we could have rightfully crushed it sicne it was our soil. Please draw me a map of the world that shows which soild is whose or at least tell me what the official way to determine which soild is who's. They have no more right to kill us then we do then by the normal system.
 By the Estonian system, in which whatever Russia does is wrong, you are right they have the right to kill us.

So according to you everything outside of Muscovy should be abandoned? And how do you define Muscovy? It grew over time into what Russia is today. We are at home, and we have no plans of leaving, times change and so do country borders.

I support also  a -----<( Free Chechenya )>--- but this Chechenya should be led by Nationalists like Mashadov not by Wahabis like Basajev.

The russian can never win this war due to 3. reasons:

-Russian Generals sell all kind of weapons to Chechens

-The Chechens are backed by Saudi Arabia and USA, for US is a weak Russia a good Russia

-Basajew said that he has data from 1.5 Million Volunteers, and as far as I know the Wahabi ( very very extreme Islamic) Ideology, they never bluff or lie, believe me or not, they realy never bluff or lie not even for propaganda. Sick Guys

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Yes, the Russian nation will get another name on their ethnical list which they have obliterated, long live the Russian pride.

Jednog, dana bice mir. razumijes ruski. ali dokle vasi generali njima naj modernije oruzjie prodaju, nem sanse.

One day, there wil be peace, but as long as the russian generals sell them their modernest weapons, there is no chance.

 

 

It is Bosnian (same like Serbian and Croatian).

I spoke already with Ukrains and Poles , but I did not know that even Russians understood us, so I try it. What did you not untersand.

Originally posted by dark_one So according to you everything outside of Muscovy should be abandoned? And how do you define Muscovy? It grew over time into what Russia is today. We are at home, and we have no plans of leaving, times change and so do country borders.

in the thread over the war for Karabgh,you said that you had been supporting Armenia ,which occupied Azeri territories,there...

here you say you cant give up any fomal land even tough different ethnicities live there..

i couldnt understand that

"What is it with land?Is possessing land more important than eradicating those who live there"?

Who knows, i don't think neither is important as they are both bad policy.

Well anyway, i will stand my ground and that is: Russia is killing Chechens for paper, and that is it, no excuses, no twisted visions of patriotism or defence of the Russian people.

Let's think back to 94-96, Russia manufactures an incident and goes in to 'support the opposition' which was actually made and supported by Kremlin. What ensues is a very costly conflict in terms of human suffering, and humiliation of the Russian Armed forces. The decision of Chechen independence is postponed 5 years. At this time the Chechen cause was commonly called a NATIONALIST cause, for independence. After so much suffering, Chechenya became an ideal breeding ground for islamist fundamentalism. Foreign money, weapons, fighters as well as ideology were welcomed (and sorely needed).

It is because of Russian brutality and aggression, that the Chechen cause has been radicalized into an islamist fundamentalist one. Russia has already murdered to democratically elected head of states of Chechenya, Dudayev (A good man) and Maskhadov (a moderate killed quite recently). Neither of these men were terrorists, they were relatively speaking moderates and first and formost Chechen nationalists. Why does Russia target these men instead of the fundamentalists? Because Russia wants to keep this conflict going. Killing off moderates will only further radicalize the Chechens and give a vaccuum for islamists to occupy. After the carnage that Chechens have been forced to witness everyday, I find it no wonder that they want to take the 'war to Russia', altrhough I do not sympathise with 'terrorists'. Its so easy for Putin to say that he is fighting terrorism, since that is the trendy accepted thing to do today.

Russia's track record for human rights issues is hardly impressive. Your minorities are not necessarily all that happy...

http://www.mari.ee/eng/

Besides, Russian foreign policy is something very strange, it makes the Bush administration seems sensible.

Most Russians I've talked to online are quite sensitive about this issue, but as an outsider to the conflict, I've attempted to look at it more objectively, which is hard nowadays, since no one knows what goes on in Chechenya.

BTW my Eesti keeli is a bit rusty, but I'll try to learn something useful when I cross the water to Tallinn next month.