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TheDiplomat
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Topic: Your favourite Russian Rulers? Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 05:32 |
which Tsars do you like most?if you want you can count the post-soviet rulers and sovbiet comrades...
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Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 05:47 |
STALIN! he's a true communist..
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Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 05:51 |
Gorbachev
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Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 11:25 |
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STALIN! he's a true communist.. |
Actually pal,he is also known as a mass murderer and compared to Hitler sometimes..i would choose Trotchki over Stalin to be a ruler maybe
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Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 14:30 |
Stalin, the best ruler??? Maybe if you think starving 6 million of your own people to death and conquering Eastern-Europe of being the best ruler. Stalin was a paranoid old geek who had nothing else in mind then how to get rid of "conspirators" by sending them to Siberia and dealing with imaginable traitors among his friends and "fellow communists."
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Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 14:42 |
My vote goes to IRON FELIX by some also called BLOODY FELIX. - whose name was Feliks Dzierzynski. He was a polish aristocrate who created Che-Ka and Gulag system. After his death Che-ka was renamed to NKVD and later to KGB.
The reason why he is my favourite is that as long as he lived Stalin couldnt be sure how much power he has because Dzierzynski was limiting it. The secret services which Dzierzynski created were completelly loyal to him and there was even one accident when Dzierzynski in anger left the politbiuro and Stalin looked like was really frightened. In 1921 Dzerzhinsky was appointed as People's Commissar for Transport but still he remained in control of CHEKA and in 1922 he transformed it into the State Political Administration (GPU).
Altough it must be said that Dzierzynski was a real revolutionist and was free from any ambitions. He cooperated with Stalin and never tried to take power. On the other hand i think that Stalin has really respected him. After his death in 1926 Stalin named one of the squares in Moscow with his name.
For sure none of polish commanders or rulers is responsible for the death of so many russians as Dzierzynski is. The strange thing is that for many Russians he is still a hero. In 1989 or 1990 Russian people collapsed his statue but 8 years later it was rebuild and today is - where was for most of century, at Lubianki square in Moscow near the old KGB headquaters and prisons.
Affcourse he was nothing more but bloody monster and massmurderer. As aristocrate he was just more intelligent and sophisticated than brutal Stalin.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Edmundovich_Dzerzhinskiy
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Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 17:16 |
I love Peter the Great, every country should be lucky enough to have a man as great as him lead their nation from backwardness to greatness.
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Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 17:58 |
Oh well, ppl, cancel that Stalin thing, it was carelessly done by me
I would agree on Genghis. Peter the Great.
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Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 18:56 |
Peter the Great! And Ivan III the Great (not to be confused with Ivan the Terrible)
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Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 19:11 |
I have always liked the little man who stood tall in Stalin`s shadow,Nikita Khrushchev.
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Posted: 18-Aug-2004 at 19:18 |
He may have been evil but Ivan the Great is SO importnat to the Russian nation, and a fascinating character notless.
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Posted: 19-Aug-2004 at 11:58 |
Ya Nikita was a funny guy, by putting his shoe on the table and yelling "niet!". I mean it takes a great man to do that .
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Posted: 20-Aug-2004 at 09:48 |
Or he could just have been an under educated moron.....
He was the one who wanted to bring corn fields to the Soviet Union, what a moron indeed.
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Posted: 24-Aug-2004 at 11:17 |
Going a little farther back, Im the most fond of Vladimir I. His baptism brought Russia more into the mainstream and gave the Russian(Kieven) people a sense of unity and from Russian Orthodoxy came Some of the most beautifull Icons ever created. Although his final decision wasn't made with the most pious of intentions, it is quite fascinating how he went about making it.
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Posted: 24-Aug-2004 at 20:26 |
Of all the Russian leaders, I'd also pick Czar
Peter. Despite what still remained to be done, he did make a
great effort to bring Russia out of the Dark Ages in which it seemed
trapped. Before him, they really didn't have anything approaching
what was contemporary for most European countries at the time.
His legacies included both artistic and military advances which put it
on par with many of its rivals, a reorganization of the old system of
government (incomplete, though it was) and the dominion of most of Asia
(including certain nomads who had once terrorized the Czar's ancestors).
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Posted: 25-Aug-2004 at 12:49 |
I would also say Peter (Piotr) I.
Demon, Stalin wasn't Russian, he was a Georgian living in the Soviet Union.
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Posted: 28-Aug-2004 at 00:15 |
ihsan it depends here on what the person means by "russian ruler"... he can mean ruler who ruled russia or a ruler of russian origin.
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Posted: 28-Aug-2004 at 07:26 |
Nikita Khrushchev
Gorbachev
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Posted: 30-Aug-2004 at 04:11 |
Vladimir Putin. He is the greatest of all.
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Posted: 30-Aug-2004 at 04:21 |
Putin is a new breed cold,fascist,cool Russian Leader...
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