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    Posted: 11-Mar-2007 at 01:34
I had absolutly no idea who Queen Gudit was, before i read this thread. Thankyou.
 
I would just like to say that it is very tragic how lots of important people, including important female leaders, continue to be purposely forced to "Vanish" from human history, to the point where people began to think that the person may never even have existed.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Mar-2007 at 23:27

Well, I wish to have a place where to discuss the ancient cultures of the Americas, that is my favorite topic. That's all. You have notice there are not specialized threads for the Americas, the peoples of the Pacific, Black Africa, the Inuits, the Ainus of Japan and the nomadic people of Central Asia and Northern Europe.

And yes, you well know, like I do, that the Mediterranean cultures are older than Northern Europe. And I agree with you in your suggestion there is a bias in there.

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  Quote viola76 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Mar-2007 at 23:18

i hope you have told the moderators your dislike of the fact that the ancient mediterenean is lumped with europe.

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Originally posted by viola76

 not even nazis try and seperate ethiopia from black africa. and you have the nerve to keep on going on about afrocentrism when you practice it s twin. what hypocrisy.

Dear Viola:
 
The point is not color of skin but level of development.
If you study, for example, the nomadic peoples of Asia you don't include the Chinese empire on it. And if you study the Germanic tribes, called the Barbarians, you don't include the Roman Empire on it.
 
Ethiopia is just another old civilization known by the Eurasian civilizations since the begining of time. So, I believe the place for Ethiopia is in ancient civilizations and not in this thread, that's all.
 
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not even nazis try and seperate ethiopia from black africa. and you have the nerve to keep on going on about afrocentrism when you practice it s twin. what hypocrisy.
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Originally posted by Maharbbal

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For the division of Africa and America subs: although I agree with you there is something a bit unfair in the fact that Asia has 5 subs of its own, you must admit that much less people are around (you yourself write about a third of the posts in this sub). If you need a historical excuse for that you can assimilate in a violent move both African and American societies in a "low organic economies" package.
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I don't think is fair to mix cultures that has nothing in common, and compare Ethiopia with the Incas LOL.
 
And yes, there is very few people that talk about the Amerindian societies, even when living in the United States, but if you don't start spreading the news about these matters, people will never start to get informed. And with respect to Ethiopia, my point is that that civilization has nothing "exotic" about it, and it should be put in the "ancient civilizations" list somewhere else, and not in a list where we discuss the so called "primitive" and "exotic" societies.
 
I don't mind if you put the tribal societies of bantu Africa in here, if necesary, except by the fact that (as you know) the topics about Africa tend to be a little bit politically loaded these days. And also it give the impression both continents have a pre-colonial history in common, which is false.
 
We have tens of lists arguing about microscopic countries of Europe. Why the Americas can't have its own list? After all, they represent the 40% of the lands of this planet, and include some of the most famous civilizations on earth: Mayans and Incas included.
 
Finally, your idea that the American's societies were "low organic economies", reveals you need further research on the topic.LOL
 
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  Quote Malik Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2007 at 09:27
Originally posted by Maharbbal

Pinguin, I like you but once in a while you have no idea what you're talking about.

Ethiopia part of the Middle East is highly debatable. Agreed it is a fairly special African country, but so are Mauritania, Somalia, Mali, Niger and Chad. I've been told there is a tradition in Northern Ethiopia saying that when God baked the first man he overcooked it and it gave the black man; second try, second miss, but not cooked enough this time, it gave the white man. The third try was to be the good one, it gave the Abyssinian... So you are deciding to see the glass half empty while it is at least three fifth full.
Moreover, even if some Northern Ethiopian have a very fair skin, most of them are clearly black see for instance people from Ogaden.

For the division of Africa and America subs: although I agree with you there is something a bit unfair in the fact that Asia has 5 subs of its own, you must admit that much less people are around (you yourself write about a third of the posts in this sub). If you need a historical excuse for that you can assimilate in a violent move both African and American societies in a "low organic economies" package.


Whats funny...is that hes the only member on this board who does that LOL


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  Quote Maharbbal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Mar-2007 at 23:48
Pinguin, I like you but once in a while you have no idea what you're talking about.

Ethiopia part of the Middle East is highly debatable. Agreed it is a fairly special African country, but so are Mauritania, Somalia, Mali, Niger and Chad. I've been told there is a tradition in Northern Ethiopia saying that when God baked the first man he overcooked it and it gave the black man; second try, second miss, but not cooked enough this time, it gave the white man. The third try was to be the good one, it gave the Abyssinian... So you are deciding to see the glass half empty while it is at least three fifth full.
Moreover, even if some Northern Ethiopian have a very fair skin, most of them are clearly black see for instance people from Ogaden.

For the division of Africa and America subs: although I agree with you there is something a bit unfair in the fact that Asia has 5 subs of its own, you must admit that much less people are around (you yourself write about a third of the posts in this sub). If you need a historical excuse for that you can assimilate in a violent move both African and American societies in a "low organic economies" package.
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Yes, an look at the guy on the picture. He just look "caucasian" after a taking a little bit of tan in a solarium LOL. And alhough most people "looks black", like some people say, he is not the only ethiopian that have an ambiguous "racial" affiliation.
 
An%20Ethiopian%20woman%20stands%20in%20line%20with%20hundreds%20of%20villagers%20as%20they%20wait%20to%20vote%20outside%20a%20polling%20station%20in%20the%20capital%20Addis%20Ababa.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  Quote Malik Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Mar-2007 at 08:53
Originally posted by AfrikaJamaika

Originally posted by pinguin

 
Ethiopia is more part of the Middle East history than the rest of Africa, I believe.
 
Pinguin


No the hell Ethiopia aint, more apart of Middle East history then African 

history. if that were true Pinguin why would their ancient drawings, including

the drawings of today in Ethiopia portray black people with nappy afros?

This picture of Menelik the 2nd(below) is clearly Negro and he was titled

The King of Kings in Abyssinia(Ethiopia) and also believed to be the Son of King Solomon, and Queen Makeda....



You

really know how to piss me the hell off....

You dont give black people credit for anything....

How would u like it if i started saying all of Chile has nothing to do with you or any of your people Pinguin?

Once again i see that i must prove you wrong, and correct you of your bad views towards the accomplishments  of African black people....

Obviously you believe that we are incapable of doing anything good, you didn't directly

say it but i can tell, just how u always go out of your way to make black royalty, or black achievements  look like achievements of another race....

The truth is every race alive, and extinct races have all accomplished something

great in this world and they all need to be recognized and respected no matter their race....


Ive noticed that the user you are arguing with is biased towards negroid peoples in general.This can be concluded by looking at  many of his posts from the past.....


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Originally posted by AfrikaJamaika

 look like i aswell as Decebal said , Ethiopia is not more apart of the middle east then it is of Sub-Saharian African territory....
 
 I don't find any point of contact between Ethiopia and the Americas, for example. Ethiopia was in contact with Eurasia and all its development was done in interaction with that chain of civilizations that spread from the Mediterranean to China. Subsaharan Africa was another story.
 
More similarities exist between the more "primitive" Subsharan Africa, the Pacific and the Americas, though. A lot more than with Ethiopia. That's why I find ridiculous to include in here.
 
So, why don't we split the thread though? Between regions that have relationships?
 
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Originally posted by pinguin

OK. Let's talk Ethiopia, then.
 
You very well know that civilization has nothing exotic or new to the west. It appear on the Bible, and has been in contact with Egypt, the Middle East and India since the beginning of recording history. Even more, the history of Solomon is very close to the history of that country, to the point some say the Ark of the Alliance is in that country.
 
You also know, Ethiopia has its own branch of Christianity, and that the famous priest John of the Middle Ages was probably Ethiopian.
 
So, what's so strange about Ethiopia to exclude from the Ancient Civilizations topics or the Middle East?
 
Ethiopia, I believe, is "mainstream" history.
 
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look like i aswell as Decebal said , Ethiopia is not more apart of the middle east then it is of Sub-Saharian African territory....


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OK. Let's talk Ethiopia, then.
 
You very well know that civilization has nothing exotic or new to the west. It appear on the Bible, and has been in contact with Egypt, the Middle East and India since the beginning of recording history. Even more, the history of Solomon is very close to the history of that country, to the point some say the Ark of the Alliance is in that country.
 
You also know, Ethiopia has its own branch of Christianity, and that the famous priest John of the Middle Ages was probably Ethiopian.
 
So, what's so strange about Ethiopia to exclude from the Ancient Civilizations topics or the Middle East?
 
Ethiopia, I believe, is "mainstream" history.
 
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  Quote AfrikaJamaika Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Feb-2007 at 23:17
Originally posted by pinguin

Why not?

The idea is that each region has its own history. Why to mix regions that have nothing in common at those times? 


The topic "Pre-Colmbian Americas, and Precolonial Africa" are 2 seperate discussions... I didn't combine them in this post....

Decebal posted in here about Judith being in Ethiopia, you said some wrong things about Ethiopia being middle east and i corrected you......

This thread made by Decebal was talking about Africa not about Pre-Columbian America....Just because they are put in the same line doesn't mean they both have to be talked about at the same time......


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Why not?

The idea is that each region has its own history. Why to mix regions that have nothing in common at those times? 


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  Quote AfrikaJamaika Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Feb-2007 at 22:29
Originally posted by pinguin

Wouldn't be better to separate pre-Columbian Americas from Pre Colonial Africa, when they are two regions that were not related at those times at all?

I have asked for that but I have found no ecco.

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  Quote AfrikaJamaika Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Feb-2007 at 22:19
ancient pictures of  Abyssinians(Ethiopians):

King Menelik 2nd and his crew



Fitaurari Zawde Gobena



Kantiba Wosene Zamanel



Kanyazmach Tekle Markos W. Gabriel














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Wouldn't be better to separate pre-Columbian Americas from Pre Colonial Africa, when they are two regions that were not related at those times at all?

I have asked for that but I have found no ecco.

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  Quote AfrikaJamaika Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Feb-2007 at 19:41
Originally posted by pinguin

That's not the problem, fellow.
 
This is supposed to be part of the "prehistoric" cultures of the Americans, Africa and perhaps Oceania. Ethiopia is not part of prehistory but a civilization of the mainstream. Don't you get it
 



first of all precolonial means before a place is colonized, Abyssinia(Ethiopia) in the ancient times wasn't colonized so therefore discussing about Ethiopia in ancient times is  precolonial discussion....

And your wrong about what you said in your previous post....


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That's not the problem, fellow.
 
This is supposed to be part of the "prehistoric" cultures of the Americans, Africa and perhaps Oceania. Ethiopia is not part of prehistory but a civilization of the mainstream. Don't you get it?
 
In the case of Africa we should discuss pre-colonial Zimbabwe and Congo here, not Ethiopia or Egypt.
 
 
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