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Knights and Samurai;Chivalry and Bushido

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    Posted: 01-Jan-2005 at 19:47

People often say that Knights of the medieval ages were similiar to the Samurai.Why?Because both follow a strict code of conduct and honor,both in battle and in every day life.However,this is very untrue.There are many misconceptions about bushido,especially in the case of Samurai.Well,bushido wasn't even invented until the late Edo Period.It was invented by a ronin in order for Samurai to have some meaing rather than be magistrates or political people for the shogunate,so they have something to look forward to because strictly speaking,Samurai were warriors,and throughout the Tokugawa shogunate,there was barely war.Bushido was about honor,and valor,even respecting your enemies.

The Shogunate placed many laws in order to stop ronins from killing people.Bushido was one that the shogunate adopted from the ronin writer in order to keep samurai in line.In the case of knights and chivalry,many knights betrayed their lords and brought their heads to the enemies.In that,even the samurai of the Azuchi Muromachi Period heavily betrayed their lords,in the case of Akechi Mitsuhide and Oda Nobunaga.More so often,especially directed to Hollywood blockbusters such as Excalibur and the Last Samurai,they fantasize the meaning of chivalry and bushido,which is untrue.

Samurai were meant to serve,many did not during the Edo Period,even under the influence of bushido.Knights,in the case,were obsessed with fighting with valor and honor,that they did not do it in some cases,and many just threw it all away alltogether.Samuria and knights do not have many similiarities,they have many differences.Samurai would live for survival,and would cause ritual seppoku(suicide)because they were defeated,and this was not part of bushido.Knights,however,would be killed by others in most cases because they caused treason or were ashamed of defeat.


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  Quote Cywr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jan-2005 at 14:49
Knights were just servants, the very word comes from cniht, old English, meaning servant.
Some were mercenaries who served the highest bidder, others swore a life long oath to a lord/king, others given titles and deeds to ensure their loyalty. Some rode on horses and wore funny amour and some were just book keepers who never saw a battle.
To this day senior civil servants in the UK are knights.

And there was no fixed chivalry code either, what knights could or couldn't do would depend entirely on place and time. The idea of al all enduring univerasal code of chivalry is a more modern romantic invention.

The Hollywood image of all knights being guys in overdone amour riding around on horses all day is a load of bull.
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Originally posted by Cywr

Knights were just servants, the very word comes from cniht, old English, meaning servant.
Some were mercenaries who served the highest bidder, others swore a life long oath to a lord/king, others given titles and deeds to ensure their loyalty. Some rode on horses and wore funny amour and some were just book keepers who never saw a battle.
To this day senior civil servants in the UK are knights.

And there was no fixed chivalry code either, what knights could or couldn't do would depend entirely on place and time. The idea of al all enduring univerasal code of chivalry is a more modern romantic invention.

The Hollywood image of all knights being guys in overdone amour riding around on horses all day is a load of bull.


Hmm..I never knew that..thanks for the Insight Cwyr!....Also Viaman that stuff on Bushido was enlightening also.

The Hwarang also lived by a code...regardless of the fact that their real purpose is debated, (Ranges from An organization similar to the Samurai to a club for pretty gay men.)  Here's the way of the Hwarang.

"The Five Secular Injunctions"
1.  Serve the King with loyalty
2.  Serve one's parents with filiality
3.  Practice fidelity in freindship
4.  To never retreat in battle
5.  Refrain from Wanton Killing


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  Quote Vamun Tianshu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jan-2005 at 18:49
Cywr you are very much right that Hollywood likes to fantasize things overextended.Much to the case,many people ask that question about Samurai and Knights,and the code of conduct they follow,I just thought that if anyone were to ask that question,which I know many have done,that the answer would be under their noses.

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Wow, good stuff
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